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Jun. 16 2010 - 7:21 pm | 6,927 views | 0 recommendations | 38 comments

Remind me again why Chris Christie can’t be president in 2012?

The prognostication, pro and con, about a possible Chris Christie 2012 candidacy is popping all over the place.

Glenn Reynolds says we could do worse (and probably will). Conservative American likes Christie’s blunt, direct talk. Winning attributes of a presidential candidate depend keenly on those of his (or her . . .) predecessor. Blunt, direct talk may not fly in every quadrennial contest, but in 2012, after four very long years of professorial obfuscation and liberal double-speak, the freshness of classic American plain talk might be just what the doctor ordered.

Fellow Virginia blogger Garrett Watson at On The Right thinks Christie has been a “perfect” conservative since taking office. He certainly has been fiscally conservative and entirely unafraid to take on the fully engorged, foaming-at-the-mouth New Jersey unions. Again, a budget-cutter who shreds special interests over breakfast might be a more appealing candidate in 2012 than say a pure SoCon like Mike Huckabee.

Today Jim Geraghty and Philip Klein weighed in on the issue. Geraghty started it off with this heavily-caveated little nugget.

But right now, the idea of Chris Christie running for president or appearing on the 2012 presidential ticket just stopped being unthinkable, crazy, and implausible.

Klein says 2012 is way too soon.

So at the minimum, Christie is going to have to show that he can sustain this kind of performance. Even more important, he has to be able show that his actions produced tangible and objectively demonstrable positive results — balanced budgets, improvements in education, a better economy (at least relative to neighboring states).

I just wonder why neither of them bothers to mention that Americans elected a community organizer as president when everybody on our side, and everybody on Hillary’s side, said it was way too soon.

But Christie isn’t a kid with no record. He is a Republican executive of a large liberal state. He served for 7 years as the United States Attorney for New Jersey, a high-level executive position as the chief federal law enforcement official in the state. Just the U.S. Attorney job alone gave him more executive experience than President Obama has had in his entire career. Now, as governor, he is tackling an entrenched liberal bureaucracy in a state with the highest taxes in the nation, and getting results.

We will obviously have to watch to see how he fares, but he’s doing great right out of the gate, and there is every indication he is man who sticks to his principles, even if it costs him his job . . . or gets him a better one.

UPDATE: Instalanche! Thanks for the link Glenn.


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    Christie is awesome! He would definitely make a great president.

    If Obama can be president then anyone can be president. Obama hadn’t ran anything before becoming president, and now he is running our country quite horribly.

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    I am a conservative blogger in New Jersey. I realize that Christie is being propped up nationally for his persona and rhetoric. Unfortunately, his style doesn’t match his substance.

    The most important issue to New Jerseyans is property taxes and Christie’s policies are going to cause massive hikes. I just spoke to someone tonight who is staring at an increase from $1800 to $3200! And this guy is on the low end – average property taxes in NJ are around $7k a year.

    The reason this is happening is Christie is not cutting spending. He is cutting PROPERTY TAX RELIEF. In NJ, by constitutional amendment, all of the income tax and a half cent of the sales tax are dedicated to property tax relief. that means it must go to school aid, municipal aid and property tax rebates. Christie is eliminating $2.56B in property tax relief and using those funds to grow state government and entitlement programs. There are increases in food stamps, government funded pre-K programs and even a public option in NJ.

    Sorry to have to break it to you but Mr. Christie is NO conservative. He never was and never will be.

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      Well, I will have to defer to the Jersey boys and girls to fill in some details, but if the results match the rhetoric he will be a rock star. If they are as you say, then he may not fare well, but the gang on Morning Joe were singing his praises again today.

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      Yeah, a “conservative” blogger who spouts the usual liberal/NJEA talking points about Christie’s policies causing “massive hikes.” No Mike, Christie’s policies won’t lead to tax hikes; local spending that takes no consideration of the changing economic conditions will lead to tax hikes. Or do you and your buddy with the looming property tax increase believe we should just continue with business as usual? It’s like Christie said just the other day: for years, the politicians have been promising us something for nothing (or, something that someone else will pay for). Well, now we come to a day of reckoning; there’s no more “down the road” to kick this can.

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    I love it that every article this moron writes has to get some nasty dig in on Obama. Like McCain and Palin would of done better. Face facts. Obama won a landslide victory in 2008 and will win another landslide victory in 2012. I have nothing against this Christie guy and he may be a Presidential contender in 2016, but I seriously doubt he will get much interest for the top spot in 2012. Heck, people will need to start campaigning within the next 12 months. Christie will still be knee-deep in NJ politics by then. Again, I am surprised every time this website lets this guy write an article.

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      Heh, I am surprised I let you comment, but I do. Must be your charming personality.

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        You “let me comment.” Hilarious. My tone only matches the constant negativity you display with every crappy article you write. And I will continue to do so until you finally give up writing such garbage. You should be happy anyone reads this stuff. I get a good laugh out of it. It makes me glad I am not on the same side of the aisle as you. I would be embarrassed to have you representing my point of view.

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          And while I twist politicians’ tails and mock them for their ignorance or corruption, you prefer to come on and attack me. It is very Alinskyish and a sign someone is out of actual arguments.

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            I will continue to attack you. Why? Because your articles do not do what you say but rather lower the debate with snarky comments about the President. Every article. I will fight fire with fire by attacking you for writing such drivel. Hopefully someone at TrueSlant will listen. Probably not. Every website seems to want the whackjob neocon to look fair and balanced. I guess that is your job. Nice Alinsky reference. Stay classy you clown.

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            Like I said, out of arguments.

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            Hilarious. My first comment in this thread did slam you for writing a crappy article but also commented on Christie rather charitably (i.e. might be a good candidate someday, may have the right mix down the road). In other words, contrary to your comments in this thread, I did provide content and “arguments.” I just chose to point out, accurately, what a putz you are in the meantime. None of your comments provided any counterpoints or “arguments,” just patting yourself on the back for mocking politicians, whatever that means. Try better next time. Not likely but anything is possible. I look forward to another pointless article from you next week. Be sure to include another slam of our President. It will only make his next victory that much sweeter.

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            This is pretty hilarious. you guys should do this more often.

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      A landslide? 52% to 48% is hardly a landslide, dude, and if you think this Manchild in the Promised Land will win again in 2012, you’re dilusional. (One caveat: I suppose we can’t discount the Acorn factor; there are likely to be more votes from dead guys and Mickey Mouse than ever before, so who knows.)

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    So, now we’re saying people will be great candidates because they don’t use big, fancy words? I didn’t realize all those extra syllables were getting in the way of stuff getting done. Guess that’s how Palin accomplished so much in her run as governor so she could quit early too.

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    I will give you two words why not: Gun Control. Christie is horrible on it.

    I’ll take Mike Huckabee over Christie.

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      I’ll have to take a look at the gun issue. If he’s bad, the base won’t like it. If he is agnostic, he’ll be fine.

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        I agree. We can’t jump behind someone because of their attitude or fiscal stance alone. They have to obey the law of the land even when they don’t agree with it. This was not left to the states but rather the people in very simple language: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Now if he wants there to be mandatory gun training in schools and run drills with volunteers, I would support that form of regulation!! (I actually had gun saftey required in High School ..public!)

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    08 was not a landslide. When your candidate takes 90% of the electorial votes, it is a landslide.

    Could Palin and McCain have done better?

    Considering McCain is a deficit hawk, easily.

    Regarding Obama’s second landslide. Yes, he will be involved in one in 12 bt it will be on top of him. After the second dip of this recession next year, it is a moot issue, whoever the Republicans nominate will easily trounce him.

    The real election in 2012 is the Republican nomination, the rest will be a formality.

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      Good luck with that. Obama did have a landslide in 2008 by any normal electoral measure. Not like Reagan in 1984 but the popular vote margin was about 6%, which is huge if my memory serves me correctly. Please tell us who will be the nominee to do this trouncing. I am curious because I see no one even close. Palin? Please. Romney? Will not get nomination. Thune? Pawlenty? I just don’t see it. But anything is possible.

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    “Just the U.S. Attorney job alone gave him more executive experience than President Obama has had in his entire career.”

    Is it wise to use Pres. Obama as the minimum standard for executive experience? That standard is so low as to be meaningless.

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    Mr. Dupray,

    You asked:”Remind me again why Chris Christie can’t be president in 2012?”

    I think that your posting answered its own question. As you note Gov. Christie is “a Republican executive of a large liberal state”. In other words he is Mitt Romney and how well did he work out? Everyone will question whether he is “really” conservative, sufficiently dedicated to opposing gun control / abortion / &c. The true believers of the Republican Party will ignore him or devour him as a “RINO”. Sarah Palin will clobber him in the primaries.

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    “fully engorged, foaming-at-the-mouth”
    Were you trying to describe both sides of this political debate?

    Christie is great at cutting the budget of the public sector, too bad the federal government is fast becoming a privatized enterprise.

    He is swift with cutting the state allocation for public schools, when his kids go to private school. Let’s see if he can do the same for the police and fire departments.
    Could make for a very entertaining summer if law enforcement and fire protection is denied money too.

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    “but in 2012, after four very long years of professorial obfuscation and liberal double-speak”

    When the premise of your article is prognosticating more than 2 years of a future that has not yet happened, you’re on shaky ground. I like that you’ve forecast the rest of the Obama administration well in advance. Like most snark-driven conservatives of your ilk, you are foolish to give him so little credit.

    Enjoy your feelings of moral superiority. It’s clear that they do no good where actual leadership and legislation are concerned.

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    Christie’s term expires in, what, Jan 2013? He’ll have to run the state of New Jersey AND campaign for President- 2 full time jobs- at the same time. He could always quit mid-term, but that tack only seems to work for some governors, and anyhow, Christie doesn’t seem like that kind of flake. Granted, he looks as good or better than the current crop of Republican hopefuls- real bunch of winners there- but your thesis looks more hopeful than realistic. Kind of like Bush’s Iraq strategy, come to think of it.

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    I know he can get the job, but can he do the job?

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    Hey, Bill thanks for the link back to my blog. Christie has been to the right of Governor McDonnell in VA on most thing so far. When Christie was running I did not expect this from him, I thought he would be like Arnold in California.

    He has exceeded all expectations so far. As far as him on social issues, I can deal with everything but the support of abortion and Christie is opposed to abortion. As for Christie’s gun rights stance, he supports the 2nd Amendment, but will enforce New Jersey’s gun laws. So I assume he would be to the right of Rudy Giuliani.

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      “Christie supports the Second Amendment”?

      Everybody claims to support ther Second Amendment. Chuckie Schumer, Diane Fienstein, Sarah Brady, Rudy Giuliani.

      Giuliani’s record on the Second Amendment is a big part of why he went nowhere in the ‘08 primaries.

      New Jersey’s gun laws are way worse than New York’s. Christie supports them.

      Unless he changes his position, fogetaboutit!

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    Christie is the best thing to happen to N.J. in decades, but it’s still New Jersey.

    He can’t be elected President because he supports New Jersey’s gun laws, the most draconian and fascistic of the 50 states.

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    It appears you have written a piece promoting someone for the presidency because “the gang on Morning Joe were singing his praises again today.” This surprises me, I never considered you one of the parrot heads who just repeat whatever talking head spout in their latest talking point or cheer leader post. Yet here you are promoting while ignorant of the man’s fiscal policies.

    This is interesting because conservatives, true and blue, have caused much of the grief we are now experiencing. Conservatives have not saved a budgetary dime while steering our tax dollars to private corporations. They have cut taxes for billionaires far more than the middle class driving up the deficient to record levels. They are cheerleaders for deregulation letting giant private interests write their own rules resulting in a near depression and ruined coastlines.

    Yet here we are with the conservatives championing “Fiscal Conservationism” as a solution. Cut spending is the mantra yet it has always been the rallying cry but never heeded. Cut unemployment benefits, ignore job bills and criticize a President for putting a boot on the throat of a multinational company that is what is called fiscal responsibility.

    Lately there has been lots of democrats and republicans in both the Congress and White House dancing around the obvious problems and announcing various solutions that do nothing but maintain the status quo. A status quo that has high unemployment and an economy based on hedge funds and defense spending and does nothing for main street.

    Who cannot support fiscal conservatism? Yet what fiscal hawk can support wasteful spending in the pentagon or tax breaks to giant corporations who don’t need it or not spending money for auditors and fraud investigators to root out corruption in contracting and medicare cheaters? How about making sure the government gets all its royalties from leases on federal properties? Can we have a fiscal conservative who champions going after corporate and personal tax cheats who use off shore banks and dummy companies?

    Obama has failed to change the course in this country. Jobs and manufacturing will continue to go overseas. Banks will continue to be too big to fail. Agriculture and service jobs will continue to hire illegals. We will continue to be overly dependent on oil and money will continue to flow to terrorists. The wars will not end and we will continue to spend trillions on defense projects we don’t need. (The only jobs program that republicans and democrats both support.) And sadly we will still wonder at China’s tallest building and fastest trains and Apple and Nike will still build its phones and shoes in factories dominated by tyrants for pennies while charging us hundreds. We will still embrace symbols of the past while ignoring the future.

    Show me a candidate who can really face up to the multinational bullies and really address the fiscal problems that face us and this liberal will vote for him/her. Such a candidate will never emerge if we all listen to the chatter of millionaires like the gang at Morning Joe.

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    This could have been interesting had it not been cast in old ‘conservative’ versus ‘liberal’ nonsense. As we know, I’m rarely accused of being ‘conservative’ – and yet, there is much about Gov. Christie that I like. He’s not afraid to speak his mind. He has stood up to unions where they needed to be stood up to. He has his eye on the state’s deficits, etc.
    However, the reality is that a successful leader will always fail the test of perfection as a conservative or liberal. That’s because actually functioning well in an executive job doesn’t really leave much room for the ideological bullshit – governors, like presidents, actually have to deal with real problems, not ideological philosophies.

    It would be interesting to discuss Gov. Christie’s more immediate and pressing issue- can he be re-elected in New Jersey? The fact that you have conservatives responding with displeasure to the governor in your comments – just as you have the other side complaining, indicates that he’s probably doing a pretty good job – which can make it very hard for him to be re-elected, particularly in a state like New Jersey. Which brings me to what I really like about Gov. Christie. I don’t think he cares if he gets re-elected. I think he wants to do the best job he can as he sees it. That’s a sure sign of a good executive. But you can’t do that worrying about pleasing ideologues. Indeed, by the time campaign season rolls around, I would not be at all surprised if you were completely against him.

    If I might say so, it would have also been far more informational had you known a bit more about his positions (many of which I think you would like, some of which you might not) and, if I might say so, been more interested in educating us about the governor than taking valueless snipes at Obama. I can get that anywhere. If you find the time to learn more about Gov. Christie that you can pass along to those of us who do not live in New Jersey, I would very much like to read it.

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