Comments on: Best Berlin Wall video you will see today http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/ [Please go to 'Settings' to change your Tagline] Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:32:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Brian In NYC http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-849 Brian In NYC Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:58:38 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-849 Michael this isn't about Berlin or the fall of the commies, this all about the right's weird canonization of Ronnie. They somehow feel that Obama not going is a slight against Reagan, it's weird. Michael this isn’t about Berlin or the fall of the commies, this all about the right’s weird canonization of Ronnie. They somehow feel that Obama not going is a slight against Reagan, it’s weird.

]]> By: Michael Roston http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-848 Michael Roston Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:51:52 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-848 So now you're blaming Obama for what happened at Fort Hood. Charming. Do you have any evidence that President Obama didn't go to Berlin because he didn't want to piss off the Russians? Or is it another crass assertion like your literal statement that if Obama had said more about Iran, Neda Agha Soltan would still be alive? I think President Obama stayed home from Berlin because he had other things to deal with. I prefer that he found the time today to help the nation mourn what happened at Fort Hood in a moving speech that promised justice for Major Hasan and the awful crime he committed and reminded us all about the sacrifices our men and women in uniform are making. I don't believe he would have been able to do both. So now you’re blaming Obama for what happened at Fort Hood. Charming.

Do you have any evidence that President Obama didn’t go to Berlin because he didn’t want to piss off the Russians? Or is it another crass assertion like your literal statement that if Obama had said more about Iran, Neda Agha Soltan would still be alive?

I think President Obama stayed home from Berlin because he had other things to deal with. I prefer that he found the time today to help the nation mourn what happened at Fort Hood in a moving speech that promised justice for Major Hasan and the awful crime he committed and reminded us all about the sacrifices our men and women in uniform are making. I don’t believe he would have been able to do both.

]]> By: Bill Dupray http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-844 Bill Dupray Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:18:05 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-844 He could have done them both. No time-machine necessary. He could have done them both. No time-machine necessary.

]]> By: Bill Dupray http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-843 Bill Dupray Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:16:01 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-843 The point of this exercise is to show my true colors. The point of this exercise is to show my true colors.

]]> By: Bill Dupray http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-842 Bill Dupray Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:15:00 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-842 Those are two different things. The Iran criticism was that he should have taken some <i>action</i> in support of freedom (or do we not do that anymore?). This one is a lot easier. Would it be so terrible to remind Americans and others around the world who are too young to remember the Berlin Wall about how freedom is good and despotism is bad and that we support the former, not the latter. I really believe Obama is a moral-relativist, so I think he made a conscious choice to stay home in order to not upset the Russians. It is political-correctness, writ-large. That same philosophy is what got us into trouble at Fort Hood. There is evil in the world and you cannot be afraid to offend somebody in trying to root it out. Otherwise your good-intentions will get you killed. Those are two different things. The Iran criticism was that he should have taken some action in support of freedom (or do we not do that anymore?).

This one is a lot easier. Would it be so terrible to remind Americans and others around the world who are too young to remember the Berlin Wall about how freedom is good and despotism is bad and that we support the former, not the latter. I really believe Obama is a moral-relativist, so I think he made a conscious choice to stay home in order to not upset the Russians. It is political-correctness, writ-large. That same philosophy is what got us into trouble at Fort Hood. There is evil in the world and you cannot be afraid to offend somebody in trying to root it out. Otherwise your good-intentions will get you killed.

]]> By: Brian In NYC http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-828 Brian In NYC Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:08:48 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-828 Oh please Bill spare us, if the prez had been in Germany today you would have been whining he's not at Ft. Hood for today's memorial service. This is a petty post on your part. Oh please Bill spare us, if the prez had been in Germany today you would have been whining he’s not at Ft. Hood for today’s memorial service. This is a petty post on your part.

]]> By: bobshanbrom http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-824 bobshanbrom Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:57:16 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-824 Bill, It's odd to regard your certainty that the Cold War brought down the Berlin Wall. After Korea, we fought very little Cold War with China and yet communism has fallen there and, in fact, has spawned a centrally-controlled economy that will prove more fit for the 21st century than our our form, laissez-faire capitalism. As Todd points out, the Cold War brought the world to the brink of extinction. It also cost many lives. If something is a bad idea it will collapse under its own inadequacy and the people's opposition to it. In fighting the Cold War and giving the Soviet-bloc peoples an enemy we may have prolonged their suffering. We certainly paid a high price in our country both in lives and military spending. And now the myth is being re-enacted, now against the Islamic world. Noam Chomsky has a chilling term for it: The New Military Humanism. Bill,
It’s odd to regard your certainty that the Cold War brought down the Berlin Wall. After Korea, we fought very little Cold War with China and yet communism has fallen there and, in fact, has spawned a centrally-controlled economy that will prove more fit for the 21st century than our our form, laissez-faire capitalism. As Todd points out, the Cold War brought the world to the brink of extinction. It also cost many lives. If something is a bad idea it will collapse under its own inadequacy and the people’s opposition to it.
In fighting the Cold War and giving the Soviet-bloc peoples an enemy we may have prolonged their suffering. We certainly paid a high price in our country both in lives and military spending.
And now the myth is being re-enacted, now against the Islamic world. Noam Chomsky has a chilling term for it: The New Military Humanism.

]]> By: Michael Roston http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-823 Michael Roston Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:44 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-823 That's about as sincere an argument as the time you said that the President was responsible for Neda Agha Soltan's death. That’s about as sincere an argument as the time you said that the President was responsible for Neda Agha Soltan’s death.

]]> By: planetolywa http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-822 planetolywa Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:49:08 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-822 That is true until 1964. Prior to that year Republicans were the beacons of Civil Rights, but during the Presidential Race of 1964, especially with the help of George Wallace, who promised to deliver "a conservative message to one of the two parties" completely changed the landscape. Dr. King's father was a staunch Republican until 1964. Dr. King himself did his best to avoid partisan politics because he didn't want the civil rights message to get lost, but he openly supported LBJ in 1964. The truth of history is the segregationists completely changed parties in 1964, becoming Republicans, opening the door for Nixon's "silent majority" which was code for racism. The split became further polarized by the hijacking of the Republican Party by the christian extremism of Falwell and Robertson and their ilk. If you want to stop history in 1963, then yes, segregationists were historically Democrat. That is true until 1964. Prior to that year Republicans were the beacons of Civil Rights, but during the Presidential Race of 1964, especially with the help of George Wallace, who promised to deliver “a conservative message to one of the two parties” completely changed the landscape. Dr. King’s father was a staunch Republican until 1964. Dr. King himself did his best to avoid partisan politics because he didn’t want the civil rights message to get lost, but he openly supported LBJ in 1964. The truth of history is the segregationists completely changed parties in 1964, becoming Republicans, opening the door for Nixon’s “silent majority” which was code for racism. The split became further polarized by the hijacking of the Republican Party by the christian extremism of Falwell and Robertson and their ilk. If you want to stop history in 1963, then yes, segregationists were historically Democrat.

]]> By: Bill Dupray http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/2009/11/09/best-berlin-wall-video-you-will-see-today/comment-page-1/#comment-821 Bill Dupray Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:30:41 +0000 http://trueslant.com/williamdupray/?p=726#comment-821 Hmmm. Funny, I thought the segregationists were Democrats. Dr. King was a Republican. Hmmm. Funny, I thought the segregationists were Democrats. Dr. King was a Republican.

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