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	<title>Comments on: CNN&#8217;s hilariously lame defense of Mao-Loving White House Advisor Anita Dunn</title>
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		<title>By: leightonweese</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the multiple posts.  I am trying to figure out how this system places comments.  I am responding to Rick Ungar. It didn’t give me the option to click directly on “reply to” on his message, but I hope this ends up in the right place.

Rick, when you mentioned the other side calling Obama Hitler, what inspired that comment? Because in this comments thread, I had not seen anyone call Obama Hitler.

I would like to see this thread get back on the original topic, which was Anita Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers. I am mainly concerned about how far we as a society, particularly our media, have slipped into meaningless subject matter that we aren’t hearing more outrage about a mass murderer being praised for his philosophies. I am not even considering the possibility of someone in the Obama administration perpetrating violence on that level. I am more concerned with how apathetic we, particularly the media, are about studying the history and spreading knowledge about how this happened and how to prevent it.

I am also opposed to communism. Again, we can’t just be apathetic and assume that the US will never go too far in that direction, just because we didn’t start that way. The solution to that is also education (doing the difficult research and going beyond the clips) which the media is falling short in despite, or perhaps because of, having 24 hours to fill.

I found this quote from Wikipedia interesting: “Mao Zedong Thought asserts that class struggle continues even if the proletariat has already overthrown the bourgeoisie.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the multiple posts.  I am trying to figure out how this system places comments.  I am responding to Rick Ungar. It didn’t give me the option to click directly on “reply to” on his message, but I hope this ends up in the right place.</p>
<p>Rick, when you mentioned the other side calling Obama Hitler, what inspired that comment? Because in this comments thread, I had not seen anyone call Obama Hitler.</p>
<p>I would like to see this thread get back on the original topic, which was Anita Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers. I am mainly concerned about how far we as a society, particularly our media, have slipped into meaningless subject matter that we aren’t hearing more outrage about a mass murderer being praised for his philosophies. I am not even considering the possibility of someone in the Obama administration perpetrating violence on that level. I am more concerned with how apathetic we, particularly the media, are about studying the history and spreading knowledge about how this happened and how to prevent it.</p>
<p>I am also opposed to communism. Again, we can’t just be apathetic and assume that the US will never go too far in that direction, just because we didn’t start that way. The solution to that is also education (doing the difficult research and going beyond the clips) which the media is falling short in despite, or perhaps because of, having 24 hours to fill.</p>
<p>I found this quote from Wikipedia interesting: “Mao Zedong Thought asserts that class struggle continues even if the proletariat has already overthrown the bourgeoisie.”</p>
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		<title>By: leightonweese</title>
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		<dc:creator>leightonweese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am responding to Rick Ungar. It didn’t give me the option to click directly on “reply to” on his message, but I hope this ends up in the right place.

Rick, when you mentioned the other side calling Obama Hitler, what inspired that comment? Because in this comments thread, I had not seen anyone call Obama Hitler.

I would like to see this thread get back on the original topic, which was Anita Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers. I am mainly concerned about how far we as a society, particularly our media, have slipped into meaningless subject matter that we aren’t hearing more outrage about a mass murderer being praised for his philosophies. I am not even considering the possibility of someone in the Obama administration perpetrating violence on that level. I am more concerned with how apathetic we, particularly the media, are about studying the history and spreading knowledge about how this happened and how to prevent it.

I am also opposed to communism. Again, we can’t just be apathetic and assume that the US will never go too far in that direction, just because we didn’t start that way. The solution to that is also education (doing the difficult research and going beyond the clips) which the media is falling short in despite, or perhaps because of, having 24 hours to fill.

I found this quote from Wikipedia interesting: “Mao Zedong Thought asserts that class struggle continues even if the proletariat has already overthrown the bourgeoisie.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am responding to Rick Ungar. It didn’t give me the option to click directly on “reply to” on his message, but I hope this ends up in the right place.</p>
<p>Rick, when you mentioned the other side calling Obama Hitler, what inspired that comment? Because in this comments thread, I had not seen anyone call Obama Hitler.</p>
<p>I would like to see this thread get back on the original topic, which was Anita Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers. I am mainly concerned about how far we as a society, particularly our media, have slipped into meaningless subject matter that we aren’t hearing more outrage about a mass murderer being praised for his philosophies. I am not even considering the possibility of someone in the Obama administration perpetrating violence on that level. I am more concerned with how apathetic we, particularly the media, are about studying the history and spreading knowledge about how this happened and how to prevent it.</p>
<p>I am also opposed to communism. Again, we can’t just be apathetic and assume that the US will never go too far in that direction, just because we didn’t start that way. The solution to that is also education (doing the difficult research and going beyond the clips) which the media is falling short in despite, or perhaps because of, having 24 hours to fill.</p>
<p>I found this quote from Wikipedia interesting: “Mao Zedong Thought asserts that class struggle continues even if the proletariat has already overthrown the bourgeoisie.”</p>
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		<title>By: leightonweese</title>
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		<dc:creator>leightonweese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am responding to Rick Ungar.  It didn&#039;t give me the option to click directly on &quot;reply to&quot; on his message, but I hope this ends up in the right place.  

Rick, when you mentioned the other side calling Obama Hitler, what inspired that comment?  Because in this comments thread, I had not seen anyone call Obama Hitler.  

I would like to see this thread get back on the original topic, which was Anita Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers.  I am mainly concerned about how far we as a society, particularly our media, have slipped into meaningless subject matter that we aren&#039;t hearing more outrage about a mass murderer being praised for his philosophies.  I am not even considering the possibility of someone in the Obama administration perpetrating violence on that level.  I am more concerned with how apathetic we, particularly the media, are about studying the history and spreading knowledge about how this happened and how to prevent it.

I am also opposed to communism.  Again, we can&#039;t just be apathetic and assume that the US will never go too far in that direction, just because we didn&#039;t start that way.  The solution to that is also education (doing the difficult research and going beyond the clips) which the media is falling short in despite, or perhaps because of, having 24 hours to fill.

I found this quote from Wikipedia interesting: &quot;Mao Zedong Thought asserts that class struggle continues even if the proletariat has already overthrown the bourgeoisie.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am responding to Rick Ungar.  It didn&#8217;t give me the option to click directly on &#8220;reply to&#8221; on his message, but I hope this ends up in the right place.  </p>
<p>Rick, when you mentioned the other side calling Obama Hitler, what inspired that comment?  Because in this comments thread, I had not seen anyone call Obama Hitler.  </p>
<p>I would like to see this thread get back on the original topic, which was Anita Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers.  I am mainly concerned about how far we as a society, particularly our media, have slipped into meaningless subject matter that we aren&#8217;t hearing more outrage about a mass murderer being praised for his philosophies.  I am not even considering the possibility of someone in the Obama administration perpetrating violence on that level.  I am more concerned with how apathetic we, particularly the media, are about studying the history and spreading knowledge about how this happened and how to prevent it.</p>
<p>I am also opposed to communism.  Again, we can&#8217;t just be apathetic and assume that the US will never go too far in that direction, just because we didn&#8217;t start that way.  The solution to that is also education (doing the difficult research and going beyond the clips) which the media is falling short in despite, or perhaps because of, having 24 hours to fill.</p>
<p>I found this quote from Wikipedia interesting: &#8220;Mao Zedong Thought asserts that class struggle continues even if the proletariat has already overthrown the bourgeoisie.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boondoggle? You consider health care reform a boondoggle?

You may not like the plan as it is currently being constructed, but I think you give yourself away by treating the notion so coldly. I would guess that you have a very good health insurance policy and sleep well at night knowing that you&#039;ll be find. I also suspect you don&#039;t much care about what happens to those who do not.

You should not mask your belief system as &#039;conservatism&#039; as, by so doing, you do a great disservice to conservatives- many of whom are deeply caring people who have solutions to problems that come from a different place than those on the left. Your approach seems to come from a very different place that is neither conservative nor liberal- it is a place that great conservatives like Jack Kemp would vehemently reject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boondoggle? You consider health care reform a boondoggle?</p>
<p>You may not like the plan as it is currently being constructed, but I think you give yourself away by treating the notion so coldly. I would guess that you have a very good health insurance policy and sleep well at night knowing that you&#8217;ll be find. I also suspect you don&#8217;t much care about what happens to those who do not.</p>
<p>You should not mask your belief system as &#8216;conservatism&#8217; as, by so doing, you do a great disservice to conservatives- many of whom are deeply caring people who have solutions to problems that come from a different place than those on the left. Your approach seems to come from a very different place that is neither conservative nor liberal- it is a place that great conservatives like Jack Kemp would vehemently reject.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any value or interest  in actually using our history to test this theory? The very fact that you are warning against that which would lead us to a communist or socialist society kind of proves the error of your statement. We&#039;ve heard this at many junctures in our history. The arrival of Social Security and Medicare certainly resulted in the loudest shrieks of fear that we were on the road to socialism. Yet, here we are all these years later and you&#039;re busy warning about communists and the road to socialism. Apparently, social security and Medicare didn&#039;t send us down the the road to the worker&#039;s paradise after all. If it had, we would already be there and you would have no reason to strenuously warn against it.
How did a young guy like you get so stuck in the arguments of the past? You have the benefit of history - something your predecessors did not have- and still you don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any value or interest  in actually using our history to test this theory? The very fact that you are warning against that which would lead us to a communist or socialist society kind of proves the error of your statement. We&#8217;ve heard this at many junctures in our history. The arrival of Social Security and Medicare certainly resulted in the loudest shrieks of fear that we were on the road to socialism. Yet, here we are all these years later and you&#8217;re busy warning about communists and the road to socialism. Apparently, social security and Medicare didn&#8217;t send us down the the road to the worker&#8217;s paradise after all. If it had, we would already be there and you would have no reason to strenuously warn against it.<br />
How did a young guy like you get so stuck in the arguments of the past? You have the benefit of history &#8211; something your predecessors did not have- and still you don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the left kind of do deserve to be in power, having won the White House and both houses of Congress.
That said, name calling, on anybody&#039;s part, is never particularly useful. But when &#039;the other side&#039; resorts to calling Obama &quot;Hitler&#039; doesn&#039;t that kind of remove them from the higher ground you seek to claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the left kind of do deserve to be in power, having won the White House and both houses of Congress.<br />
That said, name calling, on anybody&#8217;s part, is never particularly useful. But when &#8216;the other side&#8217; resorts to calling Obama &#8220;Hitler&#8217; doesn&#8217;t that kind of remove them from the higher ground you seek to claim?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The White House does agree with you and it isn&#039;t my interest to defend Jones or not defend Jones,
My interest is in how you are so adverse to considering that communist belief is, somehow, a real challenge to the American way of life. Those days really are long over, whether or not you got the memo. 
I also have a problem with disqualifying anyone for their past beliefs. Ronald Reagan once once a raging liberal. He changed his mind. So, what&#039;s wrong with that? Maybe you&#039;re still the same guy you were in college, but I&#039;m not. I&#039;ve grown...changed...been influenced by all the different experiences life has presented. Should my beliefs at any particular snap-shot of my life, short of having been a convicted felon, bar me from qualifying for political office, elective or appointed? 
Things change. Why not be a &#039;real person&#039; and acknowledge that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The White House does agree with you and it isn&#8217;t my interest to defend Jones or not defend Jones,<br />
My interest is in how you are so adverse to considering that communist belief is, somehow, a real challenge to the American way of life. Those days really are long over, whether or not you got the memo.<br />
I also have a problem with disqualifying anyone for their past beliefs. Ronald Reagan once once a raging liberal. He changed his mind. So, what&#8217;s wrong with that? Maybe you&#8217;re still the same guy you were in college, but I&#8217;m not. I&#8217;ve grown&#8230;changed&#8230;been influenced by all the different experiences life has presented. Should my beliefs at any particular snap-shot of my life, short of having been a convicted felon, bar me from qualifying for political office, elective or appointed?<br />
Things change. Why not be a &#8216;real person&#8217; and acknowledge that?</p>
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		<title>By: leightonweese</title>
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		<dc:creator>leightonweese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian in NYC:  Close your eyes all you want.  The truth is still there.

The wikipedia article you linked to says &quot;It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.&quot;

Mao killed many more than Hitler.  I don&#039;t care if he did it for right-wing extremism or left-wing extremism.  I&#039;m not saying this to stir up people for no reason.  It is absolutely disgusting to me that this is being ignored, rationalized, or mocked.  We HAVE forgotten - or never even knew, for people who like me were born after Mao&#039;s death - what he did.

Your flippancy, as if murdered Chinese should not be honored as much as murdered Jews, is shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian in NYC:  Close your eyes all you want.  The truth is still there.</p>
<p>The wikipedia article you linked to says &#8220;It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mao killed many more than Hitler.  I don&#8217;t care if he did it for right-wing extremism or left-wing extremism.  I&#8217;m not saying this to stir up people for no reason.  It is absolutely disgusting to me that this is being ignored, rationalized, or mocked.  We HAVE forgotten &#8211; or never even knew, for people who like me were born after Mao&#8217;s death &#8211; what he did.</p>
<p>Your flippancy, as if murdered Chinese should not be honored as much as murdered Jews, is shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian In NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian In NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry leightonweese, once anyone invokes Godwin&#039;s Law, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law  that pretty much terminates conversation for me with that person on this or any future topics.  Have a good evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry leightonweese, once anyone invokes Godwin&#8217;s Law, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law</a>  that pretty much terminates conversation for me with that person on this or any future topics.  Have a good evening.</p>
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		<title>By: leightonweese</title>
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		<dc:creator>leightonweese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian in NYC: If I could fire Anita Dunn right now, I would be doing that, not complaining about her on a message board.  (I would alternatively accept a public apology for any ambiguity, along with acknowledgement that Mao did terrible things). Obama and Dunn need to know that her comment is not acceptable to the voters, and that they ignore the voters at their political peril, however delayed that may be.  Of course, how do we even know how the voters really feel, since the 24 hours news cycle, acting like a puppy dog obsessed with whatever ball is thrown in front of it, has decided that balloon boy is more important?

If this had been a Hitler quote, ironic or not, it would be in the mainstream press non-stop.  As it should be.  But Mao killed way more people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian in NYC: If I could fire Anita Dunn right now, I would be doing that, not complaining about her on a message board.  (I would alternatively accept a public apology for any ambiguity, along with acknowledgement that Mao did terrible things). Obama and Dunn need to know that her comment is not acceptable to the voters, and that they ignore the voters at their political peril, however delayed that may be.  Of course, how do we even know how the voters really feel, since the 24 hours news cycle, acting like a puppy dog obsessed with whatever ball is thrown in front of it, has decided that balloon boy is more important?</p>
<p>If this had been a Hitler quote, ironic or not, it would be in the mainstream press non-stop.  As it should be.  But Mao killed way more people.</p>
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