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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">David Alpaugh</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/stephenwebster/2009/11/08/corporate-activism-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">David Alpaugh</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate that some people will lose their jobs as a result of our transition away from fossil fuels. But it&#039;s not a compelling argument in the slightest. The continued viability of our planet is far more important than the hardship that will be endured by a few thousand or a few million people having to change jobs. (Of course, that &quot;hardship&quot; won&#039;t even come close to the daily hardships experienced by a couple BILLION people on this planet who don&#039;t have a social safety net under them or any of the other attendant luxuries that come with living in the developed world, but I digress.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that some people will lose their jobs as a result of our transition away from fossil fuels. But it&#8217;s not a compelling argument in the slightest. The continued viability of our planet is far more important than the hardship that will be endured by a few thousand or a few million people having to change jobs. (Of course, that &#8220;hardship&#8221; won&#8217;t even come close to the daily hardships experienced by a couple BILLION people on this planet who don&#8217;t have a social safety net under them or any of the other attendant luxuries that come with living in the developed world, but I digress.)</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Brander</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/stephenwebster/2009/11/08/corporate-activism-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Brander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Calgary, Canada - Houston North, if you will.  We are one of the fastest-growing, most prosperous cities in north america (unemployment only recently rose to 7%), and much of it depends on oil &amp; gas, and recently, especially on the reviled Athabasca Tar Sands projects 500 miles north.   My own job doesn&#039;t depend directly on the industry, but as a worker for the City, we&#039;ll all be in job peril if fossil fuel industries are impacted.

But pretending that science isn&#039;t science is willful blindness, intentional stupidity.

I am willing to believe that a particularly short-sighted and venal scientist (make that &quot;scientist&quot;) would fake research data or draw far-fetched conclusions from data, to enlarge an area of study and get more research grants created.

I could even believe that of 2 or 3 &quot;scientists&quot;.  I *cannot* believe it of two or three thousand scientists, and especially can&#039;t believe they could keep it up for decades of further study, with very well-funded skeptics snapping at their heels, checking their data and disputing their conclusions the whole way.

Anybody who does has never attempted to publish in a major peer-reviewed journal.

Further, I understand that scientists get attached to, and defensive of, their long-term researches.  But that&#039;s WHY peer-review is so tough. That problem has been around forever and the whole POINT of the many checks and balances in scientific studies and publications is to counter that effect.  The &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; has been wrong before and the one contrarian maverick, right.  So there are many avenues to be sure they are heard and allowed to present their data.

The AGW theory isn&#039;t some out-of-the-blue narrative imposed wholesale on the scientific community recently; it has grown slowly and against opposition, and won its scientific supporters fair and square, one peer-reviewed article at a time, over more than 3 decades.

I wish it were not true. My salary a few years from now probably DOES depend on it not being true.  And I remained a skeptic until the last IPCC report, where they raised their probability estimate from 0.7 to 0.9.

I&#039;m sorry, (for both of us) &quot;gfielder&quot;.  But it&#039;s very, very likely to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Calgary, Canada &#8211; Houston North, if you will.  We are one of the fastest-growing, most prosperous cities in north america (unemployment only recently rose to 7%), and much of it depends on oil &amp; gas, and recently, especially on the reviled Athabasca Tar Sands projects 500 miles north.   My own job doesn&#8217;t depend directly on the industry, but as a worker for the City, we&#8217;ll all be in job peril if fossil fuel industries are impacted.</p>
<p>But pretending that science isn&#8217;t science is willful blindness, intentional stupidity.</p>
<p>I am willing to believe that a particularly short-sighted and venal scientist (make that &#8220;scientist&#8221;) would fake research data or draw far-fetched conclusions from data, to enlarge an area of study and get more research grants created.</p>
<p>I could even believe that of 2 or 3 &#8220;scientists&#8221;.  I *cannot* believe it of two or three thousand scientists, and especially can&#8217;t believe they could keep it up for decades of further study, with very well-funded skeptics snapping at their heels, checking their data and disputing their conclusions the whole way.</p>
<p>Anybody who does has never attempted to publish in a major peer-reviewed journal.</p>
<p>Further, I understand that scientists get attached to, and defensive of, their long-term researches.  But that&#8217;s WHY peer-review is so tough. That problem has been around forever and the whole POINT of the many checks and balances in scientific studies and publications is to counter that effect.  The &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; has been wrong before and the one contrarian maverick, right.  So there are many avenues to be sure they are heard and allowed to present their data.</p>
<p>The AGW theory isn&#8217;t some out-of-the-blue narrative imposed wholesale on the scientific community recently; it has grown slowly and against opposition, and won its scientific supporters fair and square, one peer-reviewed article at a time, over more than 3 decades.</p>
<p>I wish it were not true. My salary a few years from now probably DOES depend on it not being true.  And I remained a skeptic until the last IPCC report, where they raised their probability estimate from 0.7 to 0.9.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, (for both of us) &#8220;gfielder&#8221;.  But it&#8217;s very, very likely to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: martinchill</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/stephenwebster/2009/11/08/corporate-activism-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>martinchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The future of lobbying … Is you. Your ignorance or mental fortitude, your opinions and consumer choices are the future of lobbying.&quot;

~~

you can refer to this as the Palin Effect. sway public opinion at the source.  

youbetcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The future of lobbying … Is you. Your ignorance or mental fortitude, your opinions and consumer choices are the future of lobbying.&#8221;</p>
<p>~~</p>
<p>you can refer to this as the Palin Effect. sway public opinion at the source.  </p>
<p>youbetcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless they are &quot;weak-minded,&quot; like these guys: http://tinyurl.com/yhlyx66</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless they are &#8220;weak-minded,&#8221; like these guys: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yhlyx66" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yhlyx66</a></p>
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		<title>By: gfielder</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfielder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then again, I wouldn’t expect you to believe what fossil fuels are doing to the Earth when your salary appears to depend on your ignorance.&quot;

*sigh*

My salary derives from my ability to create value and produce goods and services.  My efforts, multiplied by the capital of my employer, are a positive contribution to the life of our entire society.  I&#039;m damn good at what I do and I&#039;m proud of it.  Ignorance has nothing to do with my paycheck.

And I&#039;m much too polite to attack those that I disagree with.  Politeness is what makes our society work.  You should try it sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then again, I wouldn’t expect you to believe what fossil fuels are doing to the Earth when your salary appears to depend on your ignorance.&#8221;</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>My salary derives from my ability to create value and produce goods and services.  My efforts, multiplied by the capital of my employer, are a positive contribution to the life of our entire society.  I&#8217;m damn good at what I do and I&#8217;m proud of it.  Ignorance has nothing to do with my paycheck.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m much too polite to attack those that I disagree with.  Politeness is what makes our society work.  You should try it sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Webster</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/stephenwebster/2009/11/08/corporate-activism-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--&quot;Toss out the scientists that depend on government grants to pay their mortgages, and you will have trouble finding any climate scientist that can argue that there is such a thing as global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the term is this week. It’s complete BS for the weak-minded.&quot;--

Au contraire, mon frère: Toss out the &quot;scientists&quot; that depend on funding by petrol companies to pay their mortgages and you will have trouble finding any &quot;climate scientists&quot; that can argue that there is NOT such a thing as climate change.

I noticed you said &quot;we&quot; when referencing a Valero plant&#039;s recent layoffs. Your board of directors to blame, not climate scientists or congress. Then again, I wouldn&#039;t expect you to believe what fossil fuels are doing to the Earth when your salary appears to depend on your ignorance.

It&#039;s okay, some people didn&#039;t think our planet was round either.

http://tinyurl.com/ybkccee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;&#8221;Toss out the scientists that depend on government grants to pay their mortgages, and you will have trouble finding any climate scientist that can argue that there is such a thing as global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the term is this week. It’s complete BS for the weak-minded.&#8221;&#8211;</p>
<p>Au contraire, mon frère: Toss out the &#8220;scientists&#8221; that depend on funding by petrol companies to pay their mortgages and you will have trouble finding any &#8220;climate scientists&#8221; that can argue that there is NOT such a thing as climate change.</p>
<p>I noticed you said &#8220;we&#8221; when referencing a Valero plant&#8217;s recent layoffs. Your board of directors to blame, not climate scientists or congress. Then again, I wouldn&#8217;t expect you to believe what fossil fuels are doing to the Earth when your salary appears to depend on your ignorance.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s okay, some people didn&#8217;t think our planet was round either.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ybkccee" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ybkccee</a></p>
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		<title>By: gfielder</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfielder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, this week we said goodbye to over 100 people that work at the Valero refinery here in Delaware City.  They closed down about a third of the plant in an effort to cut costs.  This is the first time in Valero&#039;s history that they have ever had lay offs.  Ever.  The economy, of course, can get the general blame for the conditions.  I could lay out the case that Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are at least as much to blame for the recent economic troubles than our former president.  Everyone loves to pile on President Bush - go ahead and join that group if you wish.   
Valero, because it DOESN&#039;T OWN OIL WELLS, has to purchase crude at market prices and sell the gasoline at market prices.  They are not doing well right now (google VLO and check their latest quarterly report).  
Cap and trade legislation will impose costs that are expected to end the ability of the company to do business.  Valero is fighting for its corporate life.  That&#039;s why you see the signs.
They are fighting legislation that is allegedly intended to control a TRACE gas (necessary for life on our planet) in our atmosphere that runs about 340 parts per MILLION in our atmosphere (and that amount varies widely with the seasons).  Toss out the scientists that depend on government grants to pay their mortgages, and you will have trouble finding any climate scientist that can argue that there is such a thing as global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the term is this week.  It&#039;s complete BS for the weak-minded.
Even if enacted, this legislation will have almost no impact on global CO2 levels.  There is no reason for it, except to hand over control of our energy economy to a new bureaucracy in Washington that knows (better than the oil companies) how and where to spend that money.
Barney Frank is all in favor of this legislation.  That alone would make me suspicious, and I&#039;m not even a Texan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, this week we said goodbye to over 100 people that work at the Valero refinery here in Delaware City.  They closed down about a third of the plant in an effort to cut costs.  This is the first time in Valero&#8217;s history that they have ever had lay offs.  Ever.  The economy, of course, can get the general blame for the conditions.  I could lay out the case that Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are at least as much to blame for the recent economic troubles than our former president.  Everyone loves to pile on President Bush &#8211; go ahead and join that group if you wish.<br />
Valero, because it DOESN&#8217;T OWN OIL WELLS, has to purchase crude at market prices and sell the gasoline at market prices.  They are not doing well right now (google VLO and check their latest quarterly report).<br />
Cap and trade legislation will impose costs that are expected to end the ability of the company to do business.  Valero is fighting for its corporate life.  That&#8217;s why you see the signs.<br />
They are fighting legislation that is allegedly intended to control a TRACE gas (necessary for life on our planet) in our atmosphere that runs about 340 parts per MILLION in our atmosphere (and that amount varies widely with the seasons).  Toss out the scientists that depend on government grants to pay their mortgages, and you will have trouble finding any climate scientist that can argue that there is such a thing as global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the term is this week.  It&#8217;s complete BS for the weak-minded.<br />
Even if enacted, this legislation will have almost no impact on global CO2 levels.  There is no reason for it, except to hand over control of our energy economy to a new bureaucracy in Washington that knows (better than the oil companies) how and where to spend that money.<br />
Barney Frank is all in favor of this legislation.  That alone would make me suspicious, and I&#8217;m not even a Texan.</p>
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		<title>By: markgoldes</title>
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		<dc:creator>markgoldes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revolutionary innovations for hybrid and electric cars will be found in the article: 5 Steps to Revive the Auto Industry and the Economy. Read it on the Aesop Institute website:  http://www.aesopinstitute.org 

The two pages outline little known breakthrough technology that opens paths to cars that need no fossil fuel or recharge. 

Later, more advanced versions can turn cars into power plants, wirelessly able to sell power to the local utility when parked. 

Imagine the impact of cars and trucks that can pay for themselves, and end the need to build coal or nuclear power plants!

Visualize electric cars that need no recharge! Also, hybrids with engines that may need only one gallon of water as fuel every 1,000 miles. As impossible as it sounds, these technologies are now on the horizon.

Rowan University recently published results of experiments that can only be explained by a new source of energy. Other laboratories can readily reproduce them. 

Skeptics should see that these experiments are reproduced rapidly, so that they may form their own conclusions.

These technologies hold promise of generating millions of green jobs across the planet. They will restore automobile manufacturing everywhere.

They will also change much of what is now believed about energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revolutionary innovations for hybrid and electric cars will be found in the article: 5 Steps to Revive the Auto Industry and the Economy. Read it on the Aesop Institute website:  <a href="http://www.aesopinstitute.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.aesopinstitute.org</a> </p>
<p>The two pages outline little known breakthrough technology that opens paths to cars that need no fossil fuel or recharge. </p>
<p>Later, more advanced versions can turn cars into power plants, wirelessly able to sell power to the local utility when parked. </p>
<p>Imagine the impact of cars and trucks that can pay for themselves, and end the need to build coal or nuclear power plants!</p>
<p>Visualize electric cars that need no recharge! Also, hybrids with engines that may need only one gallon of water as fuel every 1,000 miles. As impossible as it sounds, these technologies are now on the horizon.</p>
<p>Rowan University recently published results of experiments that can only be explained by a new source of energy. Other laboratories can readily reproduce them. </p>
<p>Skeptics should see that these experiments are reproduced rapidly, so that they may form their own conclusions.</p>
<p>These technologies hold promise of generating millions of green jobs across the planet. They will restore automobile manufacturing everywhere.</p>
<p>They will also change much of what is now believed about energy.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin93</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re very misleading -- the rough rule of thumb for gasoline price impacts under a cap and trade program is 1 penny per gallon for each $1/ton CO2 allowance price.  Insofar as no models project a CO2 price this high for several years (except those that don&#039;t actually model current legislative proposals and do worst cases -- no offsets and no technology), by the time this price level hits, vehicles will get much better fuel economy.  The impact on the wallet will be very small.  You should buy gas at least from the 3 who are supporting legislation -- BP, Shell and Conoco, as opposed to these guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re very misleading &#8212; the rough rule of thumb for gasoline price impacts under a cap and trade program is 1 penny per gallon for each $1/ton CO2 allowance price.  Insofar as no models project a CO2 price this high for several years (except those that don&#8217;t actually model current legislative proposals and do worst cases &#8212; no offsets and no technology), by the time this price level hits, vehicles will get much better fuel economy.  The impact on the wallet will be very small.  You should buy gas at least from the 3 who are supporting legislation &#8212; BP, Shell and Conoco, as opposed to these guys.</p>
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		<dc:creator>et conium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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