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		<title>By: Making God In Our Image</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/11/30/screw-jesus-what-would-i-do/comment-page-1/#comment-2144</link>
		<dc:creator>Making God In Our Image</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ryan Sager offers up a neat little experiment from a guy named Nicholas Epley at the University of Chicago.  Ryan describes the experiment below. Epley asked different groups of volunteers to rate their own beliefs about important issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, affirmative action, the death penalty, the Iraq War, and the legalisation of marijuana. The volunteers also had to speculate about God’s take on these issues, as well as the stances of an “average American”, Bill Gates (a celebrity with relatively unknown beliefs) and George Bush (a celebrity whose positions are well-known). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ryan Sager offers up a neat little experiment from a guy named Nicholas Epley at the University of Chicago.  Ryan describes the experiment below. Epley asked different groups of volunteers to rate their own beliefs about important issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, affirmative action, the death penalty, the Iraq War, and the legalisation of marijuana. The volunteers also had to speculate about God’s take on these issues, as well as the stances of an “average American”, Bill Gates (a celebrity with relatively unknown beliefs) and George Bush (a celebrity whose positions are well-known). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">Christina Marlowe</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">Christina Marlowe</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On an American Enigma...

Does anyone in the world see any IRONY or HYPOCRISY at all in being both a REPUBLICAN and a so-called CHRISTIAN???  The right-wing, conservative &quot;Christian&quot; Republicans, in all their so-called moral
superiority should practice what they so tirelessly preach and proselytize. Their &quot;Christian&quot; &quot;values&quot; and supposed reverence for the teachings of a man named Jesus Christ just don&#039;t jibe with the loathsome nature and despicable politics of a man such as (R) Jesse Helms, a hateful, bigoted and PROUDLY RACIST man.  Nor are their, um, &quot;beliefs,&quot; in accordance with the fundamental Republican platform of laissez-faire economics, less government, pull-yourselves-up-by-your-bootstraps bravado and all the other nonsense that Republicans so loosely throw around;  I think it was their own &quot;man,&quot; Jesus Christ, that said, &quot;Love thy neighbor&quot;,  &quot;Help thy brother&quot;, etc., etc., etc.  WHAT?  Unless he is BLACK?  Or POOR?  Or UNEDUCATED due to NEGLIGENCE?  

The lot of these right-wing fundamentalists do nothing but spew hatred and venom whilst causing bitter divisiveness amongst the very &quot;brothers&quot; and &quot;neighbors&quot; whom they are supposed to love, treat as they themselves would like to be treated, etc., etc., etc.

And, on the other hand, if Republicans really believe in a hands-off approach in governing, what in God&#039;s name are they doing telling anyone else how to live one&#039;s own life through legislation of their beliefs, e.g. Pro-life, Bible-study in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, etc., etc., etc. 

It seems to me that these, um, &quot;Christians&quot; could better spend their time talking and preaching A LOT LESS and actually getting their ideas and arguments straight BEFORE they open their mouths...or join the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On an American Enigma&#8230;</p>
<p>Does anyone in the world see any IRONY or HYPOCRISY at all in being both a REPUBLICAN and a so-called CHRISTIAN???  The right-wing, conservative &#8220;Christian&#8221; Republicans, in all their so-called moral<br />
superiority should practice what they so tirelessly preach and proselytize. Their &#8220;Christian&#8221; &#8220;values&#8221; and supposed reverence for the teachings of a man named Jesus Christ just don&#8217;t jibe with the loathsome nature and despicable politics of a man such as (R) Jesse Helms, a hateful, bigoted and PROUDLY RACIST man.  Nor are their, um, &#8220;beliefs,&#8221; in accordance with the fundamental Republican platform of laissez-faire economics, less government, pull-yourselves-up-by-your-bootstraps bravado and all the other nonsense that Republicans so loosely throw around;  I think it was their own &#8220;man,&#8221; Jesus Christ, that said, &#8220;Love thy neighbor&#8221;,  &#8220;Help thy brother&#8221;, etc., etc., etc.  WHAT?  Unless he is BLACK?  Or POOR?  Or UNEDUCATED due to NEGLIGENCE?  </p>
<p>The lot of these right-wing fundamentalists do nothing but spew hatred and venom whilst causing bitter divisiveness amongst the very &#8220;brothers&#8221; and &#8220;neighbors&#8221; whom they are supposed to love, treat as they themselves would like to be treated, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>And, on the other hand, if Republicans really believe in a hands-off approach in governing, what in God&#8217;s name are they doing telling anyone else how to live one&#8217;s own life through legislation of their beliefs, e.g. Pro-life, Bible-study in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, etc., etc., etc. </p>
<p>It seems to me that these, um, &#8220;Christians&#8221; could better spend their time talking and preaching A LOT LESS and actually getting their ideas and arguments straight BEFORE they open their mouths&#8230;or join the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Top 10 Neuro(world) Stories of &#8216;09 (my picks, as opposed to yours) - Ryan Sager - Neuroworld - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top 10 Neuro(world) Stories of &#8216;09 (my picks, as opposed to yours) - Ryan Sager - Neuroworld - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Screw Jesus, What Would *I* Do?: Where do people get their crazy ideas about what God believes? From inside their very own heads. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Very interesting article&#8230;&#160;&#124;&#160;Caramia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very interesting article&#8230;&#160;&#124;&#160;Caramia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the article, and have a great Monday! Share this on del.icio.usStumble upon something good? Share it on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Comment of the Day - Ryan Sager - Neuroworld - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comment of the Day - Ryan Sager - Neuroworld - True/Slant</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: In the Image of Us Created We Him? &#171; Prometheus Unbound</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/11/30/screw-jesus-what-would-i-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1740</link>
		<dc:creator>In the Image of Us Created We Him? &#171; Prometheus Unbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] opinions about gay rights, Barack Obama, and Afghanistan that you do. At Neuroworld, Ryan Sager comments: Epley found that when people contemplated God’s opinions, their brains activated similarly to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] opinions about gay rights, Barack Obama, and Afghanistan that you do. At Neuroworld, Ryan Sager comments: Epley found that when people contemplated God’s opinions, their brains activated similarly to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Links &#171; Gerry Canavan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Links &#171; Gerry Canavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And science proves Rousseau was right: God created man in his own image and man, being a gentleman, returned the favor. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Looks like we&#8217;re not the only ones getting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And science proves Rousseau was right: God created man in his own image and man, being a gentleman, returned the favor. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Looks like we&rsquo;re not the only ones getting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;Didn’t we settle that point in the 18th century or so?&quot; 

No kidding.  And Feuerbach stood as a much more eloquent culmination of the tradition than any article titled, &quot;Screw Jesus, What Would *I* Do?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;Didn’t we settle that point in the 18th century or so?&#8221; </p>
<p>No kidding.  And Feuerbach stood as a much more eloquent culmination of the tradition than any article titled, &#8220;Screw Jesus, What Would *I* Do?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see the results of a similar study replacing &quot;God&quot; with &quot;morality&quot; or something like that.  One presumably doesn&#039;t worship or pray to morality, which may lead to less self-reference when considering how one&#039;s own beliefs line up with certain moral &quot;beliefs&quot;.  Not that the answers to the questions would be any less self-referential, but the brain scan might not reveal so much similarity.  

It might have also been helpful to ask people questions like &quot;Is God&#039;s will knowable or unknowable&quot;, or &quot;are there external standards for determining God&#039;s will?&quot;, or &quot;Does God reside in your heart/speak to you/inspire your beliefs?&quot;  These sorts of questions might indicate how much one distinguishes oneself from God.  Even more interesting, they could be used to lead a person&#039;s subsequent answers, the same way that the study attempted to manipulate answers by presenting pro and con arguments before asking about beliefs.

The most interesting thing about the study seems to be the brain monitoring, rather than the actual answers to the questions.  And it would have been more interesting to pursue some further prodding to see what exactly links a person&#039;s self reflection with their reflection about God.  Trying to see what cues might separate these thought processes would better get at the heart of why they are linked in certain instances, and might answer suspicions about whether the survey questions bias the results, or whether different sorts of believers contemplate God&#039;s will differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see the results of a similar study replacing &#8220;God&#8221; with &#8220;morality&#8221; or something like that.  One presumably doesn&#8217;t worship or pray to morality, which may lead to less self-reference when considering how one&#8217;s own beliefs line up with certain moral &#8220;beliefs&#8221;.  Not that the answers to the questions would be any less self-referential, but the brain scan might not reveal so much similarity.  </p>
<p>It might have also been helpful to ask people questions like &#8220;Is God&#8217;s will knowable or unknowable&#8221;, or &#8220;are there external standards for determining God&#8217;s will?&#8221;, or &#8220;Does God reside in your heart/speak to you/inspire your beliefs?&#8221;  These sorts of questions might indicate how much one distinguishes oneself from God.  Even more interesting, they could be used to lead a person&#8217;s subsequent answers, the same way that the study attempted to manipulate answers by presenting pro and con arguments before asking about beliefs.</p>
<p>The most interesting thing about the study seems to be the brain monitoring, rather than the actual answers to the questions.  And it would have been more interesting to pursue some further prodding to see what exactly links a person&#8217;s self reflection with their reflection about God.  Trying to see what cues might separate these thought processes would better get at the heart of why they are linked in certain instances, and might answer suspicions about whether the survey questions bias the results, or whether different sorts of believers contemplate God&#8217;s will differently.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
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		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;Well, we can’t ever do a study with God’s actual opinions, I don’t think!&quot;

Precisely my point! :)

I&#039;m not sure what your suggestion would prove.  Any interpretation of what a source as complicated and imbued with varying levels of meaning as the Bible is going to suffer from the same problem - you&#039;re not able to separate what people think the Bible says from what the Bible &quot;actually&quot; says (and I put &quot;actually&quot; in quotes because I&#039;m not even sure if this is possible).  You may think it&#039;s easy to say that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, but there&#039;s a lot of discussion about whether this was a contextual, cultural imperative or an eternal truth.  The Bible isn&#039;t a list of axiomatic statements, after all.  You can&#039;t just lift &quot;truths&quot; from it&#039;s pages.

And even if you could, you just move the underlying epistemological problem back one more iteration.  Someone wrote the Bible.  God didn&#039;t actually write it.  So it&#039;s still an opinion of God&#039;s opinion.  This study is interesting insofar as it ellucidates one causal determinant of man&#039;s belief in God.  But it inevitably runs into an epistemological wall - so long as you&#039;re only able to comment on man&#039;s opinion of God, you&#039;ll never be able to rule out statements about the actuality of God.

It&#039;s an interesting experiment, but you&#039;re pushing it into a fruitless line of questioning.  Didn&#039;t we settle that point in the 18th century or so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;Well, we can’t ever do a study with God’s actual opinions, I don’t think!&#8221;</p>
<p>Precisely my point! <img src='http://trueslant.com/ryansager/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your suggestion would prove.  Any interpretation of what a source as complicated and imbued with varying levels of meaning as the Bible is going to suffer from the same problem &#8211; you&#8217;re not able to separate what people think the Bible says from what the Bible &#8220;actually&#8221; says (and I put &#8220;actually&#8221; in quotes because I&#8217;m not even sure if this is possible).  You may think it&#8217;s easy to say that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, but there&#8217;s a lot of discussion about whether this was a contextual, cultural imperative or an eternal truth.  The Bible isn&#8217;t a list of axiomatic statements, after all.  You can&#8217;t just lift &#8220;truths&#8221; from it&#8217;s pages.</p>
<p>And even if you could, you just move the underlying epistemological problem back one more iteration.  Someone wrote the Bible.  God didn&#8217;t actually write it.  So it&#8217;s still an opinion of God&#8217;s opinion.  This study is interesting insofar as it ellucidates one causal determinant of man&#8217;s belief in God.  But it inevitably runs into an epistemological wall &#8211; so long as you&#8217;re only able to comment on man&#8217;s opinion of God, you&#8217;ll never be able to rule out statements about the actuality of God.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting experiment, but you&#8217;re pushing it into a fruitless line of questioning.  Didn&#8217;t we settle that point in the 18th century or so?</p>
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