http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/ A newswire of human stupidity Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:16:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-2617 Torture breeds spurious belief in guilt of tortured | Dear Kitty. Some blog Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:16:44 +0000 http://trueslant.com/ryansager/?p=7624#comment-2617 [...] From Ryan Sager’s blog in the USA: Making the Tortured Seem Guilty [...] [...] From Ryan Sager’s blog in the USA: Making the Tortured Seem Guilty [...]

]]> http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-1431 Jonathan Elinoff of VaccinationEducation.com: A list of news articles you won’t find anywhere else « The LABVIRUS.COM Blog Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:24:01 +0000 http://trueslant.com/ryansager/?p=7624#comment-1431 [...] Study out of Harvard: Complicity in torture makes the victim SEEM guilty — the more pain, the more perceived guilt http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/ [...] [...] Study out of Harvard: Complicity in torture makes the victim SEEM guilty — the more pain, the more perceived guilt http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/ [...]

]]> http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-1414 Tweets that mention Ryan Sager - Neuroworld – Making the Tortured Seem Guilty - True/Slant -- Topsy.com Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:40:40 +0000 http://trueslant.com/ryansager/?p=7624#comment-1414 [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Barry Eisler, ryansager. ryansager said: Study out of Harvard: Complicity in torture makes the victim SEEM guilty -- the more pain, the more perceived guilt: http://bit.ly/4iieg2 [...] [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Barry Eisler, ryansager. ryansager said: Study out of Harvard: Complicity in torture makes the victim SEEM guilty — the more pain, the more perceived guilt: http://bit.ly/4iieg2 [...]

]]> http://trueslant.com/ryansager/2009/10/27/making-the-tortured-seem-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-1396 shawngilbreath Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:25:18 +0000 http://trueslant.com/ryansager/?p=7624#comment-1396 In a perfect world, if we could be a hundred percent sure the person was guilty, a hundred percent sure they know the information we need, and a hundred percent sure that torturing them was the quickest, most efficient method of getting the information out of them, torture would be a legitimate means of gathering information. I understand the concept of dirty hands, and while I might not like it, I'm enough of a realist to know it has to be done. Of course the world is not perfect. I'm not advocating 100% certainty, that's not possible and waiting for it would ensure nothing gets accomplished. What I am saying is that in light of the enormous amount of doubt about the effectiveness of torture, coupled with its moral repugnance, we as a people should all reject its use. We certainly come down on it when other countries do. Of course, they're others, not us, but that's a different essay. In a perfect world, if we could be a hundred percent sure the person was guilty, a hundred percent sure they know the information we need, and a hundred percent sure that torturing them was the quickest, most efficient method of getting the information out of them, torture would be a legitimate means of gathering information. I understand the concept of dirty hands, and while I might not like it, I’m enough of a realist to know it has to be done. Of course the world is not perfect. I’m not advocating 100% certainty, that’s not possible and waiting for it would ensure nothing gets accomplished. What I am saying is that in light of the enormous amount of doubt about the effectiveness of torture, coupled with its moral repugnance, we as a people should all reject its use. We certainly come down on it when other countries do. Of course, they’re others, not us, but that’s a different essay.

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