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	<title>Comments on: GOP reveals true colors in Boehner health alternative &#8211; and it isn’t pretty</title>
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		<title>By: tommat424</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommat424</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHADEGG IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT! THE WORST REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA! THE INFANT COULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE IF SHE COULD TALK THEN HE DID. THANK HEAVEN THE GOP HAS IDIOTS LIKE SHADEGG HE PROVED JUST HOW USELESS HE IS &amp; THAT HE HAS NO INTELLIGENCE WHAT SO EVER AND SHOULD REALLY RESIGN. BUT WHY WOULD HE? HE HAS A CUSHY JOB AND DOES NOTHING 24/7 BUT ANNOY THE MORONS WHO ELECTED HIM!  BOY ARE THESE MORONS  SORRY THEY VOTED FOR THIS JACKASS WHO ONLY HAS SHIT LEFT IN HIS BRAIN CAVITY! SHADEGG IS A LOSER LIKE KYL, MCCAIN, LIMBAUGH, PALIN, BAUCUS, BECK, BUSH, CHENEY, LIEBERMAN, ETC. WE ARE SO A SHAMED TO HAVE THIS A.H. ASSOCIATED WITH OUR BEAUTIFUL STATE! SHADEGG IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! HE ABSOLUTELY  WILL NOT BE REELECTED! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT ANOTHER MORON BESIDES THIS IDIOT GOV. BREWER. THEY ARE TIED AS FAR AS MINIMUM INTELLIGENCE! PERHAPS BEING OVER WEIGHT &amp; UNHEALTHY WHICH COULD BE HIS DEATH WARRANT AND WE WOULD BE DONE WITH HIM, IF WE ARE LUCKY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHADEGG IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT! THE WORST REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA! THE INFANT COULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE IF SHE COULD TALK THEN HE DID. THANK HEAVEN THE GOP HAS IDIOTS LIKE SHADEGG HE PROVED JUST HOW USELESS HE IS &amp; THAT HE HAS NO INTELLIGENCE WHAT SO EVER AND SHOULD REALLY RESIGN. BUT WHY WOULD HE? HE HAS A CUSHY JOB AND DOES NOTHING 24/7 BUT ANNOY THE MORONS WHO ELECTED HIM!  BOY ARE THESE MORONS  SORRY THEY VOTED FOR THIS JACKASS WHO ONLY HAS SHIT LEFT IN HIS BRAIN CAVITY! SHADEGG IS A LOSER LIKE KYL, MCCAIN, LIMBAUGH, PALIN, BAUCUS, BECK, BUSH, CHENEY, LIEBERMAN, ETC. WE ARE SO A SHAMED TO HAVE THIS A.H. ASSOCIATED WITH OUR BEAUTIFUL STATE! SHADEGG IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! HE ABSOLUTELY  WILL NOT BE REELECTED! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT ANOTHER MORON BESIDES THIS IDIOT GOV. BREWER. THEY ARE TIED AS FAR AS MINIMUM INTELLIGENCE! PERHAPS BEING OVER WEIGHT &amp; UNHEALTHY WHICH COULD BE HIS DEATH WARRANT AND WE WOULD BE DONE WITH HIM, IF WE ARE LUCKY!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy
If you recall, I indicated that unless I saw an apology for the gassing the death camps thing, you wouldn&#039;t be welcomed as a commenter. So, I will be taking all your comments off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy<br />
If you recall, I indicated that unless I saw an apology for the gassing the death camps thing, you wouldn&#8217;t be welcomed as a commenter. So, I will be taking all your comments off.</p>
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		<title>By: dtafs</title>
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		<dc:creator>dtafs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it say in the constitution where I can go to the bathroom?  

Because quite frankly, i&#039;m wondering if the strict constitutionalist crowd has been &quot;holding it&quot; all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it say in the constitution where I can go to the bathroom?  </p>
<p>Because quite frankly, i&#8217;m wondering if the strict constitutionalist crowd has been &#8220;holding it&#8221; all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some emergency items that will kick in sooner, but the language in the House bill does not really allow for many of the programs to kick in before 2013. The only way this could be changed would be to amend the bill - which I suspect is unlikely. You have to keep in mind why it was pushed to 2013. While they will tell you that this was to give the new commissioner of health choices time to get the program in place - and there is truth to that- the real reason is that to make the numbers work in the first decade (no increase to the deficit), they had to delay a lot of the expenditures to 2013. 
I think this does present the Dems. with a bit of a let-down factor that could be a political problem. All this excitement and then...nothing happens. We know how impatient Americans can be. 
What will help is that in the 2012 elections, Obama will be able to say, &quot;two months after election day, the greatest improvement in health care since Medicare will begin - thanks to me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some emergency items that will kick in sooner, but the language in the House bill does not really allow for many of the programs to kick in before 2013. The only way this could be changed would be to amend the bill &#8211; which I suspect is unlikely. You have to keep in mind why it was pushed to 2013. While they will tell you that this was to give the new commissioner of health choices time to get the program in place &#8211; and there is truth to that- the real reason is that to make the numbers work in the first decade (no increase to the deficit), they had to delay a lot of the expenditures to 2013.<br />
I think this does present the Dems. with a bit of a let-down factor that could be a political problem. All this excitement and then&#8230;nothing happens. We know how impatient Americans can be.<br />
What will help is that in the 2012 elections, Obama will be able to say, &#8220;two months after election day, the greatest improvement in health care since Medicare will begin &#8211; thanks to me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian In NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian In NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The president was a millionaire before he won the election, I&#039;m not sure what point you are trying to make.  Yes I find your use of the term &quot;so called poor&quot; odd, I&#039;ve never really understand the GOP&#039;s contempt for those less fortunate among us.  I&#039;ve always found it odd that a party that claims to be the defender of &quot;christian values&quot; shows such contempt for the actual teachings of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The president was a millionaire before he won the election, I&#8217;m not sure what point you are trying to make.  Yes I find your use of the term &#8220;so called poor&#8221; odd, I&#8217;ve never really understand the GOP&#8217;s contempt for those less fortunate among us.  I&#8217;ve always found it odd that a party that claims to be the defender of &#8220;christian values&#8221; shows such contempt for the actual teachings of Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian In NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian In NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;so called poor&quot;?  What an odd term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so called poor&#8221;?  What an odd term.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian In NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian In NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick I suspect once the bill is signed into the law the start date for a lot of benefits will be moved to an earlier date.  It doesn&#039;t serve the Dems well to have benefits not kicking in before the 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick I suspect once the bill is signed into the law the start date for a lot of benefits will be moved to an earlier date.  It doesn&#8217;t serve the Dems well to have benefits not kicking in before the 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ungar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ungar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have preferred Medicare for all - but wasn&#039;t going to happen. The point is to make a difference in making health care available to everyone and to fix some major problems in how the health and health insurance system works. This bill does make a real difference in those regards. So, while it may not be everything hat you want- and it certainly takes too long to kick in, give them credit as they did&#039;t do such a bad job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have preferred Medicare for all &#8211; but wasn&#8217;t going to happen. The point is to make a difference in making health care available to everyone and to fix some major problems in how the health and health insurance system works. This bill does make a real difference in those regards. So, while it may not be everything hat you want- and it certainly takes too long to kick in, give them credit as they did&#8217;t do such a bad job.</p>
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		<title>By: jackreynolds</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, just once I&#039;d like someone to give me a rational argument as to why affordable health care ought not be a right in this country.  Health care already is a right, in the sense that we provide it for our elderly (who&#039;d otherwise be screwed) and for some of our poor (who&#039;d likewise be screwed) and for people in health emergencies who show up to the ER with full blown pneumonia that wouldn&#039;t have gone past bronchitis if they&#039;d had insurance.  Health care is a right when you&#039;re about to die and can reach an ambulance, but God forbid we rework the system so that fewer people show up at the ER with preventable health issues that have been ruining their lives and which wind up costing taxpayers billions in hospital bills. 

I have some very conservative friends who like to engage in Facebook debates about politics.  One guy supposed that if he or one of his family got really sick, he&#039;d simply take out a huge loan to pay treatment and then work it off.  He spoke about it like it would be some ten year long character-building experience he&#039;d relish as a hard-working American iconoclast.  And while such an experience would certainly teach him how to pinch pennies and be more mindful of his and his loved ones&#039; health habits - what the fuck?  The guy is a 25 year-old with a good college degree and leadership qualities.  He should be working 70-hour weeks, cutting his teeth at a small business, then starting his own small business that takes advantage of our surplus manufacturing capacity, manufacturing weird things that make escalators less dangerous or creating Nintendo Wii games that help injured employees rehabilitate fine motor movement more rapidly.  He should not be packing away his entrepreneurial urges so that ten years from now he&#039;s closing out his shift at Applebee&#039;s to get to the bank early and make that last payment because his Aunt was underinsured and needed a brain operation years ago.  How the hell is that good for our economy?

Let me give you a story from my teenage years.  My father is a very good electrical engineer.  He&#039;s had his current job for 13 years, working on the International Space Station for government contractors.  Ten years ago he interviewed at another firm for his dream job, got the gig, and had to turn it down, because the benefits sucked.  A tiny firm simply couldn&#039;t afford the benefits that his then employer could.  So my very talented father couldn&#039;t move to the company where he&#039;d do the best work of his career because he couldn&#039;t afford it if I or my mother or one of my siblings got sick.  None of us have gotten all that sick since then, by the way.  If my father were a remorseful man, he might look back on his time since then and thought, &quot;Boy, I could have taken that job! Fuckin&#039; wife and kids...&quot;

So, yeah, the healthy should be pooled with the sick.  I&#039;ve got young friends who are pissed off beyond words that they&#039;ll have to pay a fine or else buy health insurance.  To them I say - once you&#039;ve found a lump in your armpit (Mine was an ingrown hair, but it was scary) or had an HIV scare (Two months ago I got shingles, which usually happens in the elderly or is a sign of immuno-deficinecy when the young get it), you&#039;ll be damned thankful you have health insurance.  When this insurance reform passes, you&#039;ll still be able to move wherever you want, say whatever you want, practice whatever religion you want, start whatever business you want as long as you meet certain requirements.  It&#039;ll be the same America.  Only more people will have health insurance and fewer people will go bankrupt because they get sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, just once I&#8217;d like someone to give me a rational argument as to why affordable health care ought not be a right in this country.  Health care already is a right, in the sense that we provide it for our elderly (who&#8217;d otherwise be screwed) and for some of our poor (who&#8217;d likewise be screwed) and for people in health emergencies who show up to the ER with full blown pneumonia that wouldn&#8217;t have gone past bronchitis if they&#8217;d had insurance.  Health care is a right when you&#8217;re about to die and can reach an ambulance, but God forbid we rework the system so that fewer people show up at the ER with preventable health issues that have been ruining their lives and which wind up costing taxpayers billions in hospital bills. </p>
<p>I have some very conservative friends who like to engage in Facebook debates about politics.  One guy supposed that if he or one of his family got really sick, he&#8217;d simply take out a huge loan to pay treatment and then work it off.  He spoke about it like it would be some ten year long character-building experience he&#8217;d relish as a hard-working American iconoclast.  And while such an experience would certainly teach him how to pinch pennies and be more mindful of his and his loved ones&#8217; health habits &#8211; what the fuck?  The guy is a 25 year-old with a good college degree and leadership qualities.  He should be working 70-hour weeks, cutting his teeth at a small business, then starting his own small business that takes advantage of our surplus manufacturing capacity, manufacturing weird things that make escalators less dangerous or creating Nintendo Wii games that help injured employees rehabilitate fine motor movement more rapidly.  He should not be packing away his entrepreneurial urges so that ten years from now he&#8217;s closing out his shift at Applebee&#8217;s to get to the bank early and make that last payment because his Aunt was underinsured and needed a brain operation years ago.  How the hell is that good for our economy?</p>
<p>Let me give you a story from my teenage years.  My father is a very good electrical engineer.  He&#8217;s had his current job for 13 years, working on the International Space Station for government contractors.  Ten years ago he interviewed at another firm for his dream job, got the gig, and had to turn it down, because the benefits sucked.  A tiny firm simply couldn&#8217;t afford the benefits that his then employer could.  So my very talented father couldn&#8217;t move to the company where he&#8217;d do the best work of his career because he couldn&#8217;t afford it if I or my mother or one of my siblings got sick.  None of us have gotten all that sick since then, by the way.  If my father were a remorseful man, he might look back on his time since then and thought, &#8220;Boy, I could have taken that job! Fuckin&#8217; wife and kids&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So, yeah, the healthy should be pooled with the sick.  I&#8217;ve got young friends who are pissed off beyond words that they&#8217;ll have to pay a fine or else buy health insurance.  To them I say &#8211; once you&#8217;ve found a lump in your armpit (Mine was an ingrown hair, but it was scary) or had an HIV scare (Two months ago I got shingles, which usually happens in the elderly or is a sign of immuno-deficinecy when the young get it), you&#8217;ll be damned thankful you have health insurance.  When this insurance reform passes, you&#8217;ll still be able to move wherever you want, say whatever you want, practice whatever religion you want, start whatever business you want as long as you meet certain requirements.  It&#8217;ll be the same America.  Only more people will have health insurance and fewer people will go bankrupt because they get sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian In NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian In NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boo hoo</description>
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