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Sep. 14 2009 - 3:35 pm | 29 views | 1 recommendation | 27 comments

Lou Dobbs lucks out as illegal immigration retakes center stage

lou-dobbsJust as Lou Dobbs was in danger of losing some ratings points due to waning interest in the ‘birther’ fiasco , Rep. Joe Wilson has come along to pull Lou’s fur out of the fires of obscurity.

Some people have all the luck.

Wouldn’t you know that Dobbs is scheduled to lead this week’s annual lobbying push by The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), to return anti-immigration to the front the national debate. The effort has been scheduled for quite awhile but it could not have come at a better time for Dobbs and friends.

When Dobbs -and 46 of his closest conservative radio talk show hosts buddies- begin their effort to reignite the anti-immigration debate via their “town hall of the airwaves” tomorrow, the flames of hatred should dovetail perfectly with the small but smoldering fire lit by Rep. Wilson when he called out Obama on providing health care benefits to illegal immigrants. The result is likely to be a full scale conflagration, sure to be the next conservative diversion designed to keep Americans from actually listening to a rational debate on health care reform. After all, why listen to the real issues when we can indulge our anger, fear and hatred aimed at our neighbors to the south?

I have no doubt that, as I write, Lou is happily recalling the words of the great John “Hannibal” Smith of “A-Team” fame who, when things worked out, would say, “I love it when a plan comes together.”

Lest you doubt that the seeds of hatred remain in a debate that had mercifully gone quiet for a bit, I would invite you to have a look at some of the comments received to my post  ”The Truth About Illegal Immigrants and American Health Care.

While I have always understood the position of those who strongly favor enforcement of our immigration laws, I’ve never quite gotten the whole hatred thing because it simply makes no sense.

I get that our government must prioritize the needs of its own citizens before taking care of foreign nationals, particularly in these difficult economic times.  I get that we have immigration laws that should be enforced and we don’t do a particularly good job of doing it. I understand that there are some who feel that they are losing out on jobs being taken by lower paid, undocumented workers who save unscrupulous and law-breaking American employers from having to pay benefits, worker’s compensation, etc.

Here’s what I don’t get.

People don’t sneak into this country from Mexico because they like our weather. They come because they can do much better for their families in America than can do in their home country.

Americans who feel this great negative emotion towards these immigrants will tell you that all they want is to protect  the interests of their own families, an argument I completely appreciate. But how do you hate another human being for wanting for their family exactly what you want for your family?

I grant you that those who come looking for a better life should not do so by breaking our laws. But is that a reason to hate them? Sometimes you have to tell people that you are sorry but they are going to have to wait their place in line and follow the rules that exist. But, again, is their desire to do better as soon as they can a hateful act?

Let’s face it people. The only difference between the folks trying to climb the fence and we who are American citizens is nothing but pure luck of the draw. We were lucky enough to be born on this side of the fence – they were not.

Now, to all you anti-illegal immigration advocates ready to pounce, let me say this one more time. I do not support of anyone breaking our laws. I do not employ undocumented workers. I think that anyone who wishes to live in the United States should follow the rules of becoming legal citizens. But there is no way I’m going to hate someone simply for wanting to be one of us and accomplishing for their own families what we are trying to accomplish for ours.

As I reacted to some of this extraordinary depth of negative emotion I was finding in the comments to the above-cited post, one of the more reasonable commenters wrote something quite  interesting that I would like to include here. I hope he won’t mind. He goes by the name ‘Misterb’ and this is what he had to say;

Monkeys who perceive an injustice will act against their own interests for revenge on the unfair monkeys. Humans have the same tendency; the behavioral economists have reproduced the result in experiment after experiment. This syndrome infects the “illegal immigrant” discussion. The anti-II crowd are willing to cut off their own noses to spite the face of those they don’t feel have “earned” the right to the benefits of American citizenship.
As a result, Rick, I’m afraid your reasoned plea will fall on deaf ears. Those that blame their own problems on illegals want revenge not sound economics.

Very well said, Misterb. Still, I think we can be better than the monkeys.


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    “Still, I think we can be better than the monkeys.”

    In related news:

    A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences…
    US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution.

    Do you doubt the likeliness of an almost-perfect overlap among the circles of anti-evolutionists, teabaggers, birthers, Amerikaners, etc.?

    Essential Greenwald:

    Just as was true for the 1994 crime bill, the right-wing fury over health care reform is motivated by the fear that middle-class Americans will have their money taken away by Obama while — all together now, euphemistically — “having someone else benefit.” And this “someone else” are, as always, the poor minorities and other undeserving deadbeats who, in right-wing lore, somehow (despite their sorry state) exert immensely powerful influence over the U.S. Government and are thus the beneficiaries of endless, undeserved largesse: people too lazy to work, illegal immigrants, those living below the poverty line.
    ***
    The premise of these citizen protests is not wrong: Washington politicians are in thrall to special interests and are, in essence, corruptly stealing the country’s economic security in order to provide increasing benefits to a small and undeserving minority. But the “minority” here isn’t what Fox News means by that term, but is the tiny sliver of corporate power which literally writes our laws and, in every case, ends up benefiting.

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    Hate is not the only negative emotion. Anger is uppermost in the minds of most people I’ve talked to that are upset about illegal immigration. There is great anger at the Presidents, Senators and Representatives that have collectively failed to enforce our immigration laws, failed to fund the fence, failed to fund enforcement measures internally and at the border, failed to go after those that overstay visas. Then, there is the anger at the criminal employers that pursue the cheapest labor at the expense of American workers by outsourcing and in sourcing. Last, there is the anger at lawbreaking illegal aliens that disrespect our laws and borders, that thumb their noses at our society and disregard the real suffering they cause our people by their willful use of false and/or stolen identification documents to obtain jobs, licenses and other benefits. Our leaders are not presently alleviating the suffering of 15 million American workers looking for jobs to feed and shelter their families, another 15 million Americans underemployed by trying to make ends meet with part time jobs and 13 million American kids living in poverty. There is a lot to be angry about and those with power to change seem to be ignoring us.

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      estoban- I can accept the emotion of anger with a bit more understanding in this instance. But, more times than not, I find the anger misdirected at the immigrants rather than, as you point out, the government officials who do not enforce the laws. But, even with the anger, it can’t hurt to keep in mind that the illegals aren’t trying to hurt you – they are trying to help their families. This doesn’t mean we should not enforce the laws, but it puts a healthier perspective on it, no?
      It’s kind of like someone who robs a loaf of bread because his children are starving versus someone who robs a jewelry store to fence the jewels for a million bucks. They are both thieves and they have both broken the law. But don’t you feel more than a bit differently about thief number one versus thief number two?

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        “…someone who robs a jewelry store to fence the jewels for a million bucks.”

        And this was the real heist, which didn’t seem to cause much outrage among the Amerikaner/teabaggers:

        In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers.
        ***
        The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period.

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        Rick,

        Actually, the illegals are hurting us, I’ll give some personal examples in the response below (how have illegals hurt us).

        Also it doesn’t make it OK when 20+ million people are stealing loafs of bread to feed their family. Even someone who robs a bank or breaks into a home is trying to IMPROVE THEIR LIVES. So, we ignore the laws for tens of millions of people because YOU think their personal reasons for breaking the law are OK while breaking other laws (bank robbery) isn’t ok.

        It DOES NOT put a healthier perspective on things.

        Do feel differently about the bank robber who ended up killing 10 people because he had his grandmother who was seriously ill and needed expensive medicine he couldn’t get. He tried every social service and charity. In the end his only way was to rob banks, and by accident, (not that he wanted to), he killed 10 people. He’s really upset and cried for weeks about it.

        Now don’t you feel more than a bit differently about it?

        I guess we should let him go unpunished and give him US citizenship (and gov’t healthcare) as a bonus for his efforts.

        It’s OK to feel angry, but he bank robber was just trying to improve his grandmothers conditions.

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    Of course some have made a logical decision to come here to do better, but this understandable decision on the part of some illegal aliens does nothing to relieve the suffering it causes our own citizens.

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      estoban- can you give me some examples of the suffering of our citizens you are referencing? You might mean that the illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. Is that what you have in mind or some other things?

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        The large number of illegal, low skilled, low paid immigrants is causing issues.

        The biggest problem is the sheer number that have come and continue to come into the U.S. We currently have 10% unemployment and 25% for teenagers. Illegals are still flooding into this country NOW as you read this. The numbers are down, but still huge! The problem is that it’s not even about jobs, it’s just that life here is better so they’ll keep coming and coming and this causes serious problems. More on that later.

        In my county of Fairfax Va, here are some examples of the pain caused my illegals.

        Numerous constructing and contracting businesses have had to go out of business. They could not compete (on price) when other businesses were using very cheap illegal labor. So the businesses that obeyed the laws (and didn’t hire illegals) were punished. They either had to break the laws and hire cheap labor or possibly go out of business. This caused a cycle (which is nearing completion) where almost ALL labor intensive jobs are now filled with illegals.

        But there’s other problems when you have the population low paid illegals soar.

        In Fairfax, we had (have) HUGE issues with massive overcrowding. Illegals live 10-20 in a home and literally destroy the home, yard, etc. Fairfax county had to set-up 1, then 2, then 3 special zoning task forces to control the problem. Homes were gutted, with 10+ hotel rooms put in. Cars on the front yards. Yards with trash.

        In Falls Church, VA, where I lived. We had dozens of homes in our neighborhood that turned into absolute SLUMS. Talk with Fairfax County Zoning about the problems. The value of MY house fell substantially before the housing meltdown because NO ONE would buy my home surrounded by these illegal slums.

        We also had a huge increase in sexual assaults. When caught, most were poor (illegals). Every single bicycle that was not tied up in our neighborhood was stolen. It they stole it and it wasn’t really working they’d just throw it in the street. Took us months to figure out what was going on with this.

        Trash, soiled diapers became the NORM on our steets from our great new neighbors. Public urination and corona bottles were also the norm.

        The apartments up the street, were also flooded with illegals. So many, they had to park along the access road. We began monitoring it because of a huge increase in trash, gang graffiti, and people just having sex in the car. The illegals would dump car parts (tires, used oil, etc) on to the grass by the road. We had a special watch group that called the cops when something suspicious was going on. Two gang members were arrested as a result – one was illegal. Check Fairfax County Police Records.

        Day laborers (mostly illegal) now line Little River Turnpike, Bailey’s cross road, and many 7-11’s for miles. Assaults, robberies, and even prostitution is the NORM from nothing.

        Go look at Google Street View for Bailey’s Crossroads in Fairfax near Trader Joes (On RT 7). Even in Google you can see the trash, day laborers and graffiti. Was NOT there before they arrived.

        Also the WO&D bike trail is now unsafe to ride at night where it goes thru illegal Latino neighborhoods. Ask the police in Herndon, if it’s safe and then ask if it was safe 5+ years ago (before they arrived).

        I have seen sooo much destruction in the quality of life in Fairfax from the illegals, it’s amazing. I just watched over the past years as the place was transformed.

        Look at California. Huge Latino and Illegal population. Huge segments live in poverty. Huge. They don’t show it on TV or the news, but go drive around sometime. Mostly created by the huge influx of illegal immigrants.

        How can California expect to pay $13,000 a year for each kids’s public schooling, welfare, build roads, food stamps, public services, etc….when a huge part of your population are low wage workers here illegally – paying some, but not enough taxes to support the infrastructure.

        The legal residents of California are ALL paying for this. In the decline of their quality of life.

        Rick, you HAVE NOT lived in an area where illegals have moved in. There’s NO WAY. Because you would not be so compassionate. You likely live in some nice neighborhood (probably in the top 10% in the US) that somewhat protected from this onslaught. You don’t have to deal with these issues. Because if you did, you would change your mind.

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          harvesto
          Fair enough. You are right that I don’t live in an area in the US where there is a large illegal immigrant population. However, I did right smack in the middle of where these folks came from – Jalisco, Mexico- and I never experienced these problems. This is not to say, however, that you are not experiencing this.

          One paragraph you wrote was of particular interest to me:

          “Numerous constructing and contracting businesses have had to go out of business. They could not compete (on price) when other businesses were using very cheap illegal labor. So the businesses that obeyed the laws (and didn’t hire illegals) were punished. They either had to break the laws and hire cheap labor or possibly go out of business. This caused a cycle (which is nearing completion) where almost ALL labor intensive jobs are now filled with illegals. ”

          I think you are spot on here. And construction is the one industry where illegal immigrants really are taking jobs that Americans would gladly have. What is interesting is how this reveals what happens to small businesses when they do follow the law.

          I live in California. What you are describing is, as you might imagine, rampant here. The problem is that were we to remove all the illegal aliens tomorrow from California, a huge number of our small businesses would crash and burn, just like those in your area who followed the law.

          Thus, the predicament. If we push our employers to follow the law, we will do further, serious damage to our California economy (as you’ve heard, we’ve got some real problems.) But if we don’t do it, we are allowing the law to be broken and Californians to lose jobs to illegal immigrants.

          What is the solution? Maybe it has to be legalizing these people so they are entitled to the same rights as American workers and, therefore, the playing field is leveled? I’m not sure that this is the answer. I do, however, know that it no longer is as simple as just tossing them all out as the damage we would suffer in doing so would be severe.

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    Of all the Immigration enforcements laws that really works E-Verify has settled in to removing illegal immigrants from the workplace. E-Verify is being upgraded continually and marked workers can have errors resolved at their nearest Social Security office? But there is a “Sunset Provision” that could determine its future, since it’s specially working for the millions of jobless Americans? Supposedly E-Verification expires on September 30, only days after a Federal judge turned down a desperate delay from the despicable Special interest lobbyists led by the US Chamber of Commerce. On September 8 E-Verify, a contingency of the SAVE ACT was fully implemented mandating that all federal contractors and sub-contractors–MUST–use this computerized identification system.
    The American people must understand their is tremendous pressure on anemic members of both political parties to dismantle, store or hinder the E-Verify process as they are the puppets of rich business enterprises. Then Rep. JOE WILSON R-NC) opened the proverbial humongous can of worms in the full house chamber.

    We must endeavor to continue on raising our voices against the powerful forces that think nothing more than to destroy this valuable commodity called E-Verify. Overtime it will rid from every workplaces of millions of illegal workers, who think they are safe from government intervention. It will save billions of dollars being exported to other lands and sever the tolerant welfare programs, health care, education accessed by illegal low wage earners. E-Verify could introduced in all medical facilities, to check a persons national identity. The expedited message will spread and these lawbreakers will realize that it’s fruitless to keep on applying for jobs. Eventually families will start to pack-up and depart for every corner of the earth. But it’s up to the American voter to keep relentlessly calling the Washington switchboard 202-224-3121contacting their politicians.

    Evaluate each lawmaker at NUMBERSUSA or JUDICIAL WATCH and command them to enforce E-Verify permanently. Not Voluntary for every business, but a mandatory addition for each employer. Fulfill their obligation to build the fence according to Rep. Duncan Hunter R-CA. Keep training the regular police according to the Federal 287 G directive,. Not to Rescind the No Match letter or desist ICE raids or weaken any other enforcement law, such as the 1986 Immigration Control & Reform Act. Fed’s should restrict SANCTUARY CITY & STATE policies. NOW IT’S UP TO YOU? STARTLING WEBSITE! GOOGLE—IMMIGRATIONCOUNTERS.

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    Brittanicus
    Ok…I get it…you are lobbying for the continuation of E-Verify.
    I don’t disagree with you on the value of this. So, I’ll tell you what- if you’ll identify your relationship to this (as I suspect you are more than a commenter), I’ll call out your comment so more people can read it.

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    Those who scream the loudest on the illegal immigration issue need to realize that we’ll never stop the flow until we force our country to rethink this whole “global trade” thing. Many of the reasons that people from Mexico and other nations feel forced to come here can be, I believe, directly traced to NAFTA and other such agreements. You can’t make another nation stop subsidizing say, agriculture, and then force them to buy our highly subsidized food, without expecting the rural people to come here when they find there are no jobs in their own cities. And you can’t expect our citizens to remain calm as their own jobs go overseas. I see no difference between sending jobs to where the cheap labor is and bringing in cheap labor to do the jobs you can’t send out. I don’t blame the immigrants – I blame the corporations and governments for implementing this craziness!

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      good one, Bolton! You are particularly lucid today! I really like your point suggesting that immigrants coming here is not much different than sending our jobs overseas. I had never thought of it that way and it’s a really, really good point.

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        Well,…Thank you, Ungar! :)
        I really think the immigration issue perfectly illustrates the need for BOLD, broad changes to the way we do things. (I know – broken record!) But really; don’t give ‘em healthcare, build a wall, round ‘em up, these things only treat the symptoms of the much deeper problem which is global trade. The deals suck for all involved except those at the top.

        It may surprise you to learn that I differ from my progressive friends on this issue. I don’t believe in giving illegals driver’s licenses or forming unions for them, etc. And I do think that if caught, in other than a hospital visit, they should be sent back home. I also have trouble accepting that a landlord should be knowingly renting to, or an employer hiring fugitives, which is what illegal immigrants are after all. It’s a really messed up situation and it’s an outrage that it’s been allowed to get to this point. (But what makes that different from any other issue the two parties have totally screwed up? Oops – broken record again!)

        Here’s an idea I came up with regarding illegal immigrants’ children born on U.S. soil – I’m sure progressives will hang me for it:
        The child would at birth be a citizen, as it is now. As the parent of this child, you would have to make a VERY tough choice – you can take your child back to the nation you came from, or you can leave the child here with legal citizens/residents.

        Taking the child back home would be, to me, no different than if my mother had chosen to raise me overseas. The child would retain his/her citizenship and could return at any time. The parent would be welcome to come back via the legal procedure if so desired. How does that sound? Too harsh and unfeeling?

        Finally, while I understand the need or desire to come here, I feel that people have a responsibility to pressure their home governments in the same way we are responsible to pressure ours regarding the trade agreements issues. They can’t very well do that if they’re here instead of there.

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          For the most part, I agree with you.
          Not so sure about the Sophie’s Choice on the kids, though. How about something like this instead…give the child dual citizenship. If the parent is illegal, send parent and child back to their country but allow the child to come back a a citizen when they become high school aged. This way the child can get a high school and maybe college education in the US and go from there.

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    Who said the pro rule of law crowd hates the foreigners who come here illegally? They are people like anyone else, except they are breaking our laws, mooching off our taxpayers, and demanding preferential treatment over law abiding folks who are trying to come here legally.

    No one in America should be above the law, not even illegal aliens who are “just trying to make a better life for their family”, but entering illegally, illegallly obtaining jobs, illegally driving, illegally using document fraud and id theft, and illegal evading taxes.

    Sure there are some nut jobs like the one you quote. There are also some nut jobs on the pro illegal immigration side. I read one post today that said it is our moral duty to provide health care to anyone who wants it…ie the whole world! And don’t forget the Southern Law Conference and other pro illegal immigration forces that yell racism when there is none present… just as a despictable tactic.

    No, there should be reasonable debate about this terrible situation that the special interests have created in order that a few could benefit from cheap labor… and a North American Union can be created without our consent.

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      “I read one post today that said it is our moral duty to provide health care to anyone who wants it…ie the whole world!”

      Did you know that in virtually every other industrialized country on earth, they do, in fact, provide health care to anyone who needs it…ie. the whole world!”

      I was in France and got ill. I saw a doctor, got a few prescriptions. The entire thing cost me $7.00.

      Not saying is has to happen here, but it isn’t like it is some crazy idea as so many nations already do it.

      I’m curious about your comment about your comment about a North American Union being formed. Why do you think this could happen? I’ve lived in Mexico and I can’t imagine that this is a realistic possibility, but I’ve heard others suggest that this could happen. Yet, after researching it, I’ve never found any evidence of anyone with any credibility or role in government suggest such a thing.

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    Rick,
    thanks for quoting me – and now for something completely different:

    I’m interested in your reaction to today’s NYT article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/technology/15speech.html?_r=1

    These kinds of bureaucratic restrictions give socialism a bad name – except in this case, it’s the private enterprise that shows their gross incompetence.

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      Hey – you’re a Rocky & Bullwinkle fan! I knew there was something I liked about you!

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        Actually, it’s Monty Python … I think Bullwinkle said – “now watch while I pull a rabbit out of my hat”

        The NYT article (insurance companies insist on buying purpose-built devices when general-purpose devices were superior and a tenth the price} has clear analogies for drug and professional services suppliers, too. Their position seems to be that they don’t want you to get any side benefit out of what they are paying for. I wonder if they pay for medical marijuana?

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      I read the piece you referred me to. The only word for it is “insane.” It is scary that they can’t muster the reason to see that this is nuts. By the way, I’m a little neurotic about the possibility that I might someday be unable to communicate which, for me, is the worst thing that could happen. So I kind of keep up on this technology. It’s amazing how inexpensive and available it now is. Indeed, ti comes packaged today on your notebook computer via Windows Word! The fact that program can be bought for $150 for an Iphone is wonderful.
      Sometimes the government can be so stupid- but this is exactly the sort of thing Obama is talking about in how we can save a lot of money in Medicare by using common sense and a real bidding process.

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    I think I posted this before, but I will post it again! Illegal aliens get FREE healthcare now! Imagine that! You are in this Country ILLEGALLY and you get FREE healthcare.

    Illegal aliens have made America the dumping ground for all their illegal alien children, then we have to school them and give them free medical care.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSe3C5vMafM&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZnX9JRo5M&NR=1

    I for one, am sick and tired of these ILLEGAL ALIENS snubbing their nose at our immigration laws and the many other laws of this Country. If our Federal Government can not ENFORCE our immigration laws, and get these ILLEGAL ALIENS out of this Country, then let the States do it! One way or another, an end has to come to this illegal immigration, and not with AMNESTY! Amnesty will only encourage more ILLEGAL ALIENS to invade our Country and reward those who broke our laws and raped the American taxpayer in many ways…depressing our wages, taking our jobs, overwhelming our schools with their ILLEGAL ALIEN children, driving without a license or car insurance, all the crime from stolen identities to rape, drugs and everything else.

    It’s time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It’s time for them get out of this Country and back in their own Country where they belong. When we get rid of the ILLEGAL ALIENS, we will get rid of all the problems that go with them. THAT IS A FACT!

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      deleware bob – a bit of an overbroad statement. here’s a few things you might not know.
      If an illegal immigrant is working for a company that provides health insurance benefits to their employees- as many do – they too must get health insurance coverage. I know it sounds crazy but federal labor laws do protect illegal workers the same way they protect legal workers (a topic for another discussion.) As a result, more undocumented workers have insurance coverage than you might think.
      For those who do not, they can receive emergency room care. Certainly, this happens, but, again far less than you might think. Many, if not most, illegals are afraid to show up at an ER for fear that they will have to fill out forms that will lead to them being deported. Thus, they really only tend to go when its a real emergency. We also know that, culturally, Mexicans visit a doctor far less frequently than Americans and that illegal immigrants tend to be younger than the general population, thus not as much pressure on the system.
      I’m not trying trying to say that illegal immigrants do not get the benefits of the health care system as it certainly does happen. I’m just putting into perspective, for whatever that is worth.

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    Rick,

    Why did you decide to live where you live and not in a neighborhood that has a large illegal immigrant population?

    List your reasons. Seriously.

    That is why many people who are now forced to live in those neighborhoods are upset. It wasn’t that way when they moved there. This was forced upon them and it was against our laws and wishes.

    Please list your reasons, why you don’t live in neighborhood heavily populated with illegals.

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      Frankly, harvesto, I’ve never made a home choice based on who else was living in the neighborhood -with one exception I’ll get to in a moment.
      My choices for where I live have always been based on (a) what I could afford, (b) the convenience of location to work and other places I frequent and (c) my emotional reaction to the place I was going to live in. It has never once crossed my mind to think about who else was living there. For all I know, there very well could be illegal immigrants on my block. I certainly know there are immigrants. I have no way of knowing the legality of their status.

      The only exception was where i chose to live in Mexico. While many of the gringos who live where my house is, chose to live in neighborhoods with other gringos, I purposely did not want that. Why live in Mexico if you are going to live behind fenced in areas with other Americans or Canadaians? Might as well be living in the US!
      Accordingly, we chose to live right in the village surrounded primary with Mexican neighbors. It was a great decision and a great experience.

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        Rick,

        You missed my key point on asking the question:

        “Why did you decide to live where you live and not in a neighborhood that has a large illegal immigrant population?”.

        Likely missed my point because of the way I phrased my question. The question wasn’t whether you decided to live some place because a certain type of people lived there.

        The question roughtly is:

        “Would you choose to live in an area heavily populated with illegal immigrants?” Say the area is somewhat close to work.

        My guess is that as you drove around the neighborhood, looked at the schools, parks, etc. You’d probably pass (even though housing is likely MUCH cheaper in these areas)

        It is likely that the reasons why you would “pass” are the same reasons that people are upset when large numbers of illegal immigrants move into their neighborhood.

        Maybe I’m wrong. But go check out one of these neighborhoods (if you haven’t already) and decide if you would or wouldn’t and why not.

        If you have any reserves about living there, then imagine you have lived where you live now for years and your neighborhood became neighborhood you just “passed” on.

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          I see what you are saying—but there are a lot of neighborhoods that I would pass on even though they are not neighborhoods populated with illegal immigrants. There are neighborhoods in the San Fernando Valley (I live in LA) where everyone is white, middle class and legal but they all have boats sitting in their driveways. I hate that! So, while I see where you are going, I’m not sure it is the best way to make your point.

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    I am an attorney in Southern California, and a frequent writer, speaker and consultant on health care policy and politics. To that end, I am active member of the Association of Health Care Journalists. Based in beautiful Santa Monica, California, I'm very pleased to have the opportunity to be a contributing editor to True/Slant. I've recently finished a book designed to make the health care debate understandable to the average reader, and expect it to be out in the next five months or earlier. In my 'spare time', I continue to write for television and, occasionally, for comic books.

    My checkered past includes stints in creative writing and production for television where I did strange things like founding the long running show "Access Hollywood" and serving, for many years, as the president of the Marvel Character Group where I had the distinct pleasure of being one of Spider-man's bosses.

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    Contributor Since: February 2009
    Location:Santa Monica,CA

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