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	<title>Comments on: Late Stage Empire: How Condé Nast could&#8217;ve saved Gourmet magazine, and why it chose not to</title>
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		<title>By: The Death of Gourmet &#171; BaltimOregon</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Death of Gourmet &#171; BaltimOregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But I came late to the Gourmet table. I didn&#8217;t have the same heart attack/heartbreak other foodies did when the news of its demise broke. Yet it&#8217;s trumped-up website, rolled out by the magnetic (and tireless-that woman is always on the road) editor Ruth Reichl, drew me in this past year. Particularly Politics of the Plate columns. And their cookbook club reviews of new ones like Corey Schreiber&#8217;s Rustic Fruit Desserts. That&#8217;s where I got the apple-blackberry pie recipe. The website even encouraged me to subscribe for $12 a year. Wonder if I&#8217;ll ever get that first issue? But I can barely keep up with Bon Appetit. Two increasingly identical food pubs under one house is redundant, especially in these times. Why not keep the website though? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But I came late to the Gourmet table. I didn&#8217;t have the same heart attack/heartbreak other foodies did when the news of its demise broke. Yet it&#8217;s trumped-up website, rolled out by the magnetic (and tireless-that woman is always on the road) editor Ruth Reichl, drew me in this past year. Particularly Politics of the Plate columns. And their cookbook club reviews of new ones like Corey Schreiber&#8217;s Rustic Fruit Desserts. That&#8217;s where I got the apple-blackberry pie recipe. The website even encouraged me to subscribe for $12 a year. Wonder if I&#8217;ll ever get that first issue? But I can barely keep up with Bon Appetit. Two increasingly identical food pubs under one house is redundant, especially in these times. Why not keep the website though? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jfruh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, please people, if you&#039;re going to make &quot;decline of Rome&quot; analogies, make them TRUE.  For instance, this:

&quot;It was the first time in the history of Rome that its leadership willingly ceded the chance to expand and take more territory, to refuse to make the investment of coin and solider and prestige needed to keep growing to the natural borders of the ocean...&quot;

Is not true on a number of levels, the most obvious of which is that the Romans had tried and failed to push their frontier in Europe to the Elbe more than 100 years earlier.  And of course there is the troubling notion that Hadrian&#039;s Wall represented the beginning of the end of Rome, when in fact the Empire would tool along in the West for another 300+ years after it was built.

The boring truth is that the borders of the Roman Empire at its height almost everywhere corresponded more or less to the frontiers of the land on which agriculture was possible during that era. (The exception was in the east, where the border was with another organized empire, not random barbarians.)  The Romans were good at controlling and taxing settled communities and farmers, and not good at controlling and taxing nomads and semi-nomads.  They tried to get around this in Scotland because they thought, hey, this place is an island, would it be that hard to conquer even the nomad-y bits?  Turned out it was -- they sent armies up there but there was no towns or kingdoms or whatever that they could &quot;conquer&quot; in the sense that they were used to conquering people -- so they figured, hey, you know, this border is actually pretty short, how &#039;bout we just build a wall instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, please people, if you&#8217;re going to make &#8220;decline of Rome&#8221; analogies, make them TRUE.  For instance, this:</p>
<p>&#8220;It was the first time in the history of Rome that its leadership willingly ceded the chance to expand and take more territory, to refuse to make the investment of coin and solider and prestige needed to keep growing to the natural borders of the ocean&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Is not true on a number of levels, the most obvious of which is that the Romans had tried and failed to push their frontier in Europe to the Elbe more than 100 years earlier.  And of course there is the troubling notion that Hadrian&#8217;s Wall represented the beginning of the end of Rome, when in fact the Empire would tool along in the West for another 300+ years after it was built.</p>
<p>The boring truth is that the borders of the Roman Empire at its height almost everywhere corresponded more or less to the frontiers of the land on which agriculture was possible during that era. (The exception was in the east, where the border was with another organized empire, not random barbarians.)  The Romans were good at controlling and taxing settled communities and farmers, and not good at controlling and taxing nomads and semi-nomads.  They tried to get around this in Scotland because they thought, hey, this place is an island, would it be that hard to conquer even the nomad-y bits?  Turned out it was &#8212; they sent armies up there but there was no towns or kingdoms or whatever that they could &#8220;conquer&#8221; in the sense that they were used to conquering people &#8212; so they figured, hey, you know, this border is actually pretty short, how &#8217;bout we just build a wall instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Smalera - Living Through 1500 &#8211; Time, Condé Nast, Hearst plan digital store: will there be any magazines left to sell? - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Smalera - Living Through 1500 &#8211; Time, Condé Nast, Hearst plan digital store: will there be any magazines left to sell? - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this yesterday with all the hubbub. The Financial Times reports that, basically John Squires of Time is leading a charge to create an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Finn Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Finn Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your description of the new Gourmet.com.  Can&#039;t wait until someone has the brains to launch it.</description>
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		<title>By: Nathan Deuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Deuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impassioned and detailed. Impressive! If blistering. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impassioned and detailed. Impressive! If blistering. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: tomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as I wrote on my facebook wall, &quot;In my book, anyone who&#039;s able to convinctingly relate the closure of Gourmet Magazine to the start of the decline of the Roman Empire to Hadrian’s Wall in England is worth a read.&quot; A better (or, one) pic might be a good idea ... your reinvention of Gourmet scenario is so spot-on - informed, concise, executable - and the reason why it would never happen, depressing. No investment in Conde Nast watching but what you describe, I believe, is indicative of a larger resistance to (ignorance =&#039;s fear) to leveraging physical properties with the web. The ignorance part is important: although I don&#039;t have this resistance, until people start putting forth solutions, I think we&#039;ll see these ongoing dinosaur-caught-in-tar scenarios. Versions of this could be applied to the car industry, to the fashion industry, the steel industry ... etc. There is one point where I do agree with Townsend: he&#039;s very clear about putting forth publications that achieve a traditional notion of economy of scale, for which the American economy - despite its fragmentation - is known for and defined by. It seems like your ideal Conde scenario - invest in a ton of websites &amp; see what succeeds - is economy of scale vis aggregate? Parenthetically, what do you think of the Daily Beast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as I wrote on my facebook wall, &#8220;In my book, anyone who&#8217;s able to convinctingly relate the closure of Gourmet Magazine to the start of the decline of the Roman Empire to Hadrian’s Wall in England is worth a read.&#8221; A better (or, one) pic might be a good idea &#8230; your reinvention of Gourmet scenario is so spot-on &#8211; informed, concise, executable &#8211; and the reason why it would never happen, depressing. No investment in Conde Nast watching but what you describe, I believe, is indicative of a larger resistance to (ignorance =&#8217;s fear) to leveraging physical properties with the web. The ignorance part is important: although I don&#8217;t have this resistance, until people start putting forth solutions, I think we&#8217;ll see these ongoing dinosaur-caught-in-tar scenarios. Versions of this could be applied to the car industry, to the fashion industry, the steel industry &#8230; etc. There is one point where I do agree with Townsend: he&#8217;s very clear about putting forth publications that achieve a traditional notion of economy of scale, for which the American economy &#8211; despite its fragmentation &#8211; is known for and defined by. It seems like your ideal Conde scenario &#8211; invest in a ton of websites &amp; see what succeeds &#8211; is economy of scale vis aggregate? Parenthetically, what do you think of the Daily Beast?</p>
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		<title>By: nelsonwang</title>
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		<dc:creator>nelsonwang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I like this re-launched Gourmet of which you write ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I like this re-launched Gourmet of which you write <img src='http://trueslant.com/paulsmalera/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent the weekend clipping, then tossing, my old copies of Domino. I plan to keep my copies of Gourmet. I now feel like an official dinosaur remembering all my favorite magazines, the ones I read and the ones I wrote for. 

The profit margins expected in publishing are, literally, laughable to almost any other industry, some of whom are happy with 5 percent -- and still manage to run a profitable business.

Guess it depends how you define &quot;profitable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent the weekend clipping, then tossing, my old copies of Domino. I plan to keep my copies of Gourmet. I now feel like an official dinosaur remembering all my favorite magazines, the ones I read and the ones I wrote for. </p>
<p>The profit margins expected in publishing are, literally, laughable to almost any other industry, some of whom are happy with 5 percent &#8212; and still manage to run a profitable business.</p>
<p>Guess it depends how you define &#8220;profitable.&#8221;</p>
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