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		<title>By: virginhook</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/03/09/shorting-america-rocks/comment-page-1/#comment-8266</link>
		<dc:creator>virginhook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that is what I call some news. I&#039;m with you Matt. (Response to comment above) But I think anyone can go broke. Anyone. Thats means the US. End of the American Empire as David Simon would say. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that is what I call some news. I&#8217;m with you Matt. (Response to comment above) But I think anyone can go broke. Anyone. Thats means the US. End of the American Empire as David Simon would say.<br />
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		<title>By: rockannand</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/03/09/shorting-america-rocks/comment-page-1/#comment-8143</link>
		<dc:creator>rockannand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Vincent Bugliosi when you need him? Get him and Elliott Spitzer to team up to go after the long line of elected officials and Goldman, JP, Citi, et al execs who created this ponzi scheme. It will take an army of prosecutors to confront this group and withstand the armada of special interests and Fox news cronies who would scream persecution to distract the masses from giving a damn. 

Chris Dodd&#039;s performance on Monday was pathetic. No wonder he is not running again, because he&#039;s been in on the scam from the start.

I am still waiting for the creative/inventive lawyer - Bugliosi would be my man, but he is retired and just writes books - who starts bringing together the investors who were scammed into a mass class action suit against each of the participants. There is an enormous amount of anger out there. It just takes someone who can channel it properly to bring these sorts of Ponzi schemes to s just end. 

Enron was the tip of the iceberg of corporate scams. Madoff&#039;s are born from this environment and you have to know there ar emany more Madoff&#039;s out there who have yet to be discovered, but will soon.

Obama hates to look back, but if these crooks go unpunished, no amount of regulation and dopey speeches like Dodd&#039;s will restore institutional trust in the markets. People laugh at Ralph Nader today, but he was last great consumer rights defender. We need more of them today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Vincent Bugliosi when you need him? Get him and Elliott Spitzer to team up to go after the long line of elected officials and Goldman, JP, Citi, et al execs who created this ponzi scheme. It will take an army of prosecutors to confront this group and withstand the armada of special interests and Fox news cronies who would scream persecution to distract the masses from giving a damn. </p>
<p>Chris Dodd&#8217;s performance on Monday was pathetic. No wonder he is not running again, because he&#8217;s been in on the scam from the start.</p>
<p>I am still waiting for the creative/inventive lawyer &#8211; Bugliosi would be my man, but he is retired and just writes books &#8211; who starts bringing together the investors who were scammed into a mass class action suit against each of the participants. There is an enormous amount of anger out there. It just takes someone who can channel it properly to bring these sorts of Ponzi schemes to s just end. </p>
<p>Enron was the tip of the iceberg of corporate scams. Madoff&#8217;s are born from this environment and you have to know there ar emany more Madoff&#8217;s out there who have yet to be discovered, but will soon.</p>
<p>Obama hates to look back, but if these crooks go unpunished, no amount of regulation and dopey speeches like Dodd&#8217;s will restore institutional trust in the markets. People laugh at Ralph Nader today, but he was last great consumer rights defender. We need more of them today.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Brander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Brander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what way (that matters) is Canada not rich?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what way (that matters) is Canada not rich?</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">Don Rogers</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">Don Rogers</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;....after all, nobody really thinks the U.S. will default.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t this imply that, if one person (or a dozen, or a hundred) really believes (however irrationally) that there is a real risk the US could default, then there is nothing wrong with their wanting to insure themselves against that risk?

The article implies that buying a credit default swap is inherently unpatriotic: a &quot;bet against the United States of America.&quot; But wouldn&#039;t that make SELLING a CDS a noble vote of faith in our government and way of life?... See More

What is the real problem? Taibbi isn&#039;t clear here. Is it that the price of portfolio insurance through a CDS has doubled in the recent past? Or is it that this market exists at all?

Let&#039;s stipulate: Some people are going to make financially risky bets in arcane markets, whether short-selling stocks, selling flood insurance, or buying pork belly futures. And they&#039;ll end up either making or losing money on the deal. That&#039;s not a problem per se, at least not for me.

The chief problem comes when one side loses more than they thought they could, then demands (and gets) a bail-out from the government to cushion their losses. At that point, the public has a real right to complain. So, to the extent there is an assumed government backing of one of the parties, that IS a real problem.

Another real problem with portfolio insurance (of all kinds) is that it is riskier than it looks. We should have learned that after the 1987 stock market crash, or in the wake of the junk bond collapse of the early 90s -- and we should certainly have learned the inherent riskiness of credit default swaps from the AIG fiasco. Taibbi is right to point out that portfolio insurance, when practiced on a large scale, can easily become a market with a wildly unstable equilibrium, where everyone is betting based on nothing more than their expectations of other people&#039;s expectations. (But note, this is an argument that insurance through a CDS probably costs not too much but too little; and this is at odds with Taibbi&#039;s apparent belief that the risk of a US credit default is effectively zero.)

IF we are going to allow people to trade in credit default swaps, we need to regulate the market -- at least to the point of making sure that the people who &quot;naked sell&quot; a CDS have the means to make good on their potentially huge losses, and that everyone understands that the function of government is not to pick up the pieces when someone&#039;s investment goes sour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.after all, nobody really thinks the U.S. will default.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this imply that, if one person (or a dozen, or a hundred) really believes (however irrationally) that there is a real risk the US could default, then there is nothing wrong with their wanting to insure themselves against that risk?</p>
<p>The article implies that buying a credit default swap is inherently unpatriotic: a &#8220;bet against the United States of America.&#8221; But wouldn&#8217;t that make SELLING a CDS a noble vote of faith in our government and way of life?&#8230; See More</p>
<p>What is the real problem? Taibbi isn&#8217;t clear here. Is it that the price of portfolio insurance through a CDS has doubled in the recent past? Or is it that this market exists at all?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stipulate: Some people are going to make financially risky bets in arcane markets, whether short-selling stocks, selling flood insurance, or buying pork belly futures. And they&#8217;ll end up either making or losing money on the deal. That&#8217;s not a problem per se, at least not for me.</p>
<p>The chief problem comes when one side loses more than they thought they could, then demands (and gets) a bail-out from the government to cushion their losses. At that point, the public has a real right to complain. So, to the extent there is an assumed government backing of one of the parties, that IS a real problem.</p>
<p>Another real problem with portfolio insurance (of all kinds) is that it is riskier than it looks. We should have learned that after the 1987 stock market crash, or in the wake of the junk bond collapse of the early 90s &#8212; and we should certainly have learned the inherent riskiness of credit default swaps from the AIG fiasco. Taibbi is right to point out that portfolio insurance, when practiced on a large scale, can easily become a market with a wildly unstable equilibrium, where everyone is betting based on nothing more than their expectations of other people&#8217;s expectations. (But note, this is an argument that insurance through a CDS probably costs not too much but too little; and this is at odds with Taibbi&#8217;s apparent belief that the risk of a US credit default is effectively zero.)</p>
<p>IF we are going to allow people to trade in credit default swaps, we need to regulate the market &#8212; at least to the point of making sure that the people who &#8220;naked sell&#8221; a CDS have the means to make good on their potentially huge losses, and that everyone understands that the function of government is not to pick up the pieces when someone&#8217;s investment goes sour.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorraine Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorraine Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorting America is something Canada&#039;s been doing for centuries; if it worked, howcum we&#039;re not rich?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorting America is something Canada&#8217;s been doing for centuries; if it worked, howcum we&#8217;re not rich?</p>
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		<title>By: msdoubtfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>msdoubtfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet Tavakoli is the female anti-christ†</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet Tavakoli is the female anti-christ†</p>
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		<title>By: jmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those swaps are tools for risk management. Suppose you are an investor/company that is &#039;exposed&#039; to a potential US default(ie you stand to lose unknown portion of your investment in case the event happens). Then you can &#039;hedge&#039; against the risk by betting that US will default. Financial institutions merely sell these instruments.

The comparison to sports betting is completely wrong. There a better doesn&#039;t stand to lose anything tangible if one sports team wins or another- he is just trying to get lucky, like in a lottery.

This post is horribly misleading and does a disservice to readers not informed about finance/economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those swaps are tools for risk management. Suppose you are an investor/company that is &#8216;exposed&#8217; to a potential US default(ie you stand to lose unknown portion of your investment in case the event happens). Then you can &#8216;hedge&#8217; against the risk by betting that US will default. Financial institutions merely sell these instruments.</p>
<p>The comparison to sports betting is completely wrong. There a better doesn&#8217;t stand to lose anything tangible if one sports team wins or another- he is just trying to get lucky, like in a lottery.</p>
<p>This post is horribly misleading and does a disservice to readers not informed about finance/economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Slade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mistake, I meant to post this under &quot;Rush on ‘Massa’&quot; where it actually has relevance and not here where it is completely non sequitur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mistake, I meant to post this under &#8220;Rush on ‘Massa’&#8221; where it actually has relevance and not here where it is completely non sequitur.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Slade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I hear the tired argument that the military as we know it would implode if straight men were &quot;forced&quot; to serve alongside gay men, I can&#039;t help but wonder if the people making this argument realize that we ALREADY have straight men serving alongside gay men. Did these people not get the memo? They behave as if repealing DADT would miraculously cause gay people in the military to exist despite the fact that gay people in the military ALREADY exist.

Since straight men and gay men are already serving side-by-side, and the military considers the current system to be functional, I can&#039;t help but wonder why there would be a radical change if we simply allow these people to admit that they&#039;re gay. Do they think the gay men in the military can only &quot;control&quot; their &quot;urges&quot; if they pretend to be straight? Do these people honestly believe that a good soldier is suddenly going to transform into a mindless, out-of-control lech simply because he can admit that he&#039;s gay without fear of losing his place in the military?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I hear the tired argument that the military as we know it would implode if straight men were &#8220;forced&#8221; to serve alongside gay men, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if the people making this argument realize that we ALREADY have straight men serving alongside gay men. Did these people not get the memo? They behave as if repealing DADT would miraculously cause gay people in the military to exist despite the fact that gay people in the military ALREADY exist.</p>
<p>Since straight men and gay men are already serving side-by-side, and the military considers the current system to be functional, I can&#8217;t help but wonder why there would be a radical change if we simply allow these people to admit that they&#8217;re gay. Do they think the gay men in the military can only &#8220;control&#8221; their &#8220;urges&#8221; if they pretend to be straight? Do these people honestly believe that a good soldier is suddenly going to transform into a mindless, out-of-control lech simply because he can admit that he&#8217;s gay without fear of losing his place in the military?</p>
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		<title>By: dreg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to checking out the derivatives invented once cap and trade gets started.
Will the dealers in those securities be able to buy insurance against alternative energy sources being developed or utilised?
Bet on how high the oceans will rise?
Will the locals in the sub Sahara spontaneously combust?
Ah, you&#039;ve gotta laugh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to checking out the derivatives invented once cap and trade gets started.<br />
Will the dealers in those securities be able to buy insurance against alternative energy sources being developed or utilised?<br />
Bet on how high the oceans will rise?<br />
Will the locals in the sub Sahara spontaneously combust?<br />
Ah, you&#8217;ve gotta laugh&#8230;</p>
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