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May. 3 2010 - 4:25 pm | 11,566 views | 0 recommendations | 23 comments

On the persistant rumors of FEMA camps

Birkenau Concentration Camp

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A strange thing happened to a friend of mine the other day. She was at work when she noticed a coworker looking rather sullen in the corner of the office. She went to ask what was wrong, when suddenly her coworker broke into fits of wailing and sobbing. The woman’s shoulders convulsed with such force as she cried, that my friend assumed there must have been a death in the family, or that someone close to her was sick or dying. My friend immediately tried to comfort her and ask what was wrong.

This is what she was told:

FEMA was building camps to round up and annihilate Christians. The roundup would start soon, but it would move slowly and quietly. Whole families would disappear and not be heard from again, but it would be made to look like they simply moved out of town. Christian children, her children, would be gassed and put into plastic coffins. Two of the woman’s friends had already moved out of the country. Others were following soon. She intended to join them as soon as she could save up enough money. But finances were tight and it might be too late.

What made this incident especially strange for my friend was that her coworker was not unintelligent or incompetent. She spoke three languages, was good at her job, and had managed to raise three children, by herself, at a relatively young age. The whole FEMA camp thing is pretty 2008, yet the woman’s fear was so palpable that she still called me to double-check.

Putting aside the obvious questions about why the government, composed of Christians, run by Christians, largely for the benefit of Christians, would round up 90 percent of the country and put them into camps, the online FEMA camp rumors were debunked ages ago, most thoroughly by Popular Mechanics – who then sent their editor-in-chief on Glenn Beck’s show twice to set the paranoiacs straight. One of the supposed U.S. government concentration camps is actually a North Korean prison camp. The other is a train yard in the Midwest somewhere, while the third is a National Guard base in Michigan. This information isn’t hard to look up. The Popular Mechanics piece is among the first things to pop up when you search for FEMA camps. Yet the rumors and paranoia still persist.

As soon as my friend told me this story, I had to know how much FEMA-fear was still out there. I posed the question on the social networking site Reddit, which is known for having a fairly sophisticated readership, and received more paranoia in reply than I would have expected.

“There is a lot of info on the net about this. Believe it or not at your own risk. The camps appear to be real. The powers of the government under an emergency are infinite. This is a very scary situation. You can do research about it on the net if you are interested in it. It seems that all of the crazy people aren’t so crazy after all. A lot of it is about information control, money, land, fear, sheeple control, etc.” “While improbable that such an event will occur, it’s not beyond possibility.”

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.”

In this time in our nation’s history, a conspiratorial mindset is certainly not unreasonable — even justifiable. But what possible rationale would the government have for putting people in camps — aside from the state of Arizona, which I’m sure wouldn’t mind hauling in all of Mexico if it were possible — there’s absolutely no incentive.

We have completely legal institutionalized bribery in the form of the campaign finance system. Corporations pay off politicians to do their bidding and then give them jobs in the private sector when they retire from government. The government takes our money, hands it to the financial industry and goes a year without even addressing the prospect of any significant regulatory changes.When they finally bring Goldman Sachs up on charges, civil, mind you, not criminal, half the country is cheering for Goldman.

The government can rob the country blind, shift the nation’s wealth to the elite, while cashing in themselves, and no one does a thing about it. Why would anyone corrupt enough to benefit from that system want to screw it up by building concentration camps and drawing international scrutiny? It makes no sense.

This is all obvious, of course. But it has to make one wonder how can there still be people shuddering in fear of FEMA camps when the conspiratorial reality is so banal and right under their noses?


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    What made this incident especially strange for my friend was that her coworker was not unintelligent or incompetent.

    Yes she was(is).

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    There is no accounting for mental illness would be my first thought and the second is there seems to be a rise in faith based politics that is being spread with an efficiency that would make Joseph Goebbels moan.

    Facts be damned or imagine a Joe the Plumber atop a horse, “We don’t have no facts. I don’t have to show you no stinkin’ facts.”

    One of the reasons for this is the constant slamming of Main Street Media by both right and left by otherwise reasonable people bringing down any faith in the truth.

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    Mr. Fleischer,

    These sort of paranoid fantasies cannot be taken at face value, they are like dreams, they have to be interpreted. While every dream has a meaning important to the dreamer, the meaning commonly escapes the dreamer. They focus of superficial elements of the dream, which are bizarre and confusing, while missing underlying symbolism (“How I be late for the final exam in Sanskrit at University of the Antarctic when I never enrolled in that school or class?”). The dream is not really about school but about the anxiety of the dreamer about something occurring in his or her life today. Dreams are strange and disturbing even when the dreamer is intelligent and thoughtful.

    Internet rumors are just the same. People look at the surface see crazy, irrational surface and miss the symbolic meaning. First, it is perfectly obvious from your story that the individual in question is white and very conservative. Conservatives have completely dominated US politics and culture for the last 30 to 40 years and especially the first eight years of this new millennium. Moreover, for hundreds of years, government in North America was un-apologetically by and for white, Christian people. They have enjoyed unchallenged cultural, political, and economic hegemony in this land.

    Suddenly (or so it seems) all of that has been overturned and stood on it head. There is a liberal, black, Muslim at the head of the US government. Everything that the government in North America has every stood for is reversed. Christians sent the Jews to the gas chambers, now that they (Jews, Muslims, Atheists, non-Christians) are in control, it is only logical that they would send the Christians to the gas chambers. It is within living memory when White Supremacy was the law of the land and it was a criminal act to treat Black people was equals with whites. Now a Black man holds the highest office in the land.

    Does not the FEMA fairly tale perfectly encapsulate the lose of social standing that many white, conservative, Christians feel they have suffered? They are now the helpless victim of their own government, one that once stood for white Christians, but has now turned against them. This only the logical conclusion the the 1980’s UN – Black Helicopter Take-Over of America Conspiracy. Now it is FEMA instead of the UN and Black man instead of Black helicopter but it is the same metaphor.

    Carl Jung noted how the symptoms of mental illness tell the story of the origins of the illness. It is a very common problem for people to fear and to attack the symbols of what they fear rather than the actual object itself. People constantly confuse metaphor for reality. Dr. Jung wrote an entire book on the subject “Man and His Symbols”.

    These persecution fantasies tells us an important truth even thought they themselves are not actually true.

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      Great insight and understanding I have never read Jung, perhaps I will search out some cliff notes on Man and His Symbols. You can apply the same reasoning to Arizona. What I do find surprising however is the intellectual blowback, many of my friends from academia have become alarmed to the point of ranting about the degradation of American culture, one pointing to Canada who claims the anglo saxon protestant culture there with little crime and unlocked homes proves the superiority of the White, (in fairness, they said Anglo) culture.
      One friend is horrified that black urban fashion appeals to his young sons and worries that the country is going bilingual. (I live in Los Angeles.)

      In response to another comment. See in context »
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      Very well written, as always, David.

      Conceding certain truths in your point about mental illness, I think there is an element of laziness in our collective societal delusions. The governmental and corporate conspiracies that actually control our country are no so powerful they couldn’t be defeated by a mass democratic uprising. But that would be dangerous and take planning and effort. It’s far easier in the collective unconscious for our government to be all powerful and inherently evil — rendering flight the only logical option for the supposedly enlightened. We all say we want agency over the powers that govern our lives, but most of us are really too afraid to handle that responsibility. Or even entertain the thought.

      In response to another comment. See in context »
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    But Christians out number the rest of us by 4 to 1. and they have all the guns. Who would lead such a revolution?

    Atheists don’t believe in it.
    Agnostic can’t make up their mind
    Jews thinks it’s not Kosher
    Buddhist need to meditate about it
    Hindus are going to wait until their next life
    All the Muslims are being watched anyway.

    Only a rich, white Christian would believe she’s being oppressed while listening to Glen Beck in her Escalade.

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    I am sure that the Mountain Meadows Massacre in Utah Territory back in the 1850’s was viewed as unbelievable. The Mormon spin doctors of the day, dressed a group of men as Paiute Indians and murdered a wagon train full of settlers. The reasons varied – assign blame to the Indians, keep settlers out of the “promised land,” keep secrets from prying eyes. The trickle down never quite reached the patriarch, Brigham Young, but a couple of faithful “Saints” were sacrificed to a firing squad. Nothing is unbelievable when “insanity” is driving the bus. Tom Medlicott

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    Some people like conspiracy theories about the evil government. You seem to prefer conspiracy theories about the evil corporations. Because they’re about equally absurd to a rational individual, it seems to be basically a matter of taste which you choose.

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      That our campaign finance system is used by corporations to buy political influence isn’t exactly the stuff of conspiracy… Well, actually it is a conspiracy. Just not a “conspiracy theory.” Nor is it a conspiracy theory that one of the most lucrative and popular professions among recently retired Federal politicians is lobbying the government on behalf of large corporations. Read up on Billy Tauzin for one example. I believe in conspiracies. Even conspiracies about the government. Just not wildly idiotic ones.

      In response to another comment. See in context »
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    To be honest I would have no idea where to even begin! Too much paranoia is spread wide over our country it’s easy,very easy to be sheepled into delusional mantrum. So what are we to do? There is so much information out on the web,if you are looking for conspiracy theories you will find it whether true or not. Therein lies paranoia,paranoia begots more paranoia,fear,uncertainty and increase in faith. Attention to those that shouldn’t get attention and therefore,the self-fullfilling prophecy has been fullfilled. I can find any information I want so how do you dicpher what is false?

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    While paranoia may persist, there are also logical reasons you may not have considered.

    First off, religion doesn’t mean anything to the powerful. I know someone who is a freemason and they pledge first to the masonic order, second to all else, including whatever religion they claim to be a part of. What they are publicly and privately are 2 totally different things. That’s not fantasy, that is the way it is. Rumor has it that Masons want to destroy Christianity but I can’t confirm that so I leave any of you to investigate if you care to.

    With more and more people becoming aware of the grand deceptions of the elite it would be logical to decrease the population to thwart any type of rebellion or uprising. Money isn’t a problem for these people. The ones at the top control the banks and could always just create money out of thin air on a computer now. Plus they would logically go for the more intellectual class rather than the lowly workers who keep the machines running and are generally not aware anyway. I’m sure it would be a mix but you want to remove those you think may be executive types. It’s about keeping a balance that is easier to deal with and reducing risk. This is similar to a corporation. They do mass layoffs but keep enough people to do the work, even if they have to work twice as hard for the same or less pay.

    From all I have learned in this life so far, one thing I’m sure of is that you can’t put anything past people, especially liars and thieves who in this case also have a bad track record, immense power, and pretty much unlimited funding at their disposal. Add to that they are wizards at twisting the truth and psychological warfare. I work in advertising and the depths people will go to for a buck is disgusting, let alone those who want to control us. Our constitution also has no meaning anymore, and regardless of the last 10 years our freedom was destroyed almost 100 years ago by Roosevelt. Look up the UCC.

    I’m not saying this will happen, but there are logical reasons they would do it. If I had the money I’d want to move somewhere else regardless because I’m tired of being told what to say, how to dress, what to listen to, what to worship, what is normal, who is my “savior”, what is truth, and what to buy.

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    For the record I’m not religious and absolutely know there are FEMA CAMPS.

    The only debate is those that wish to claim they are needed for the continuance of government.

    This is not a conspiracy theory it’s called H.R 645, 111th congress.

    They don’t need Wealth, they own the printing press at the federal reserve.

    What they want is for you to die.

    They don’t need this many people to run the machines and a population of this size is not manageable to a authoritarian.

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    Maybe, maybe not , theory?
    The United States used to be #3 in incarcerating it’s citizens , per ca-pita.
    Behind racist South Africa under F.W. DeKlerk & the Soviet Union.
    Those countries collapsed & now the U.S. is #1.

    No country can exist with %51 of the population incarcerated.
    Everything is a crime now , because the government , in theory , is powerless over a law abiding citizen , so they create laws to be broken , to extend power over individuals.

    Hence victimless crimes. ( IE: Pot , taxes , traffic regulations, hunting, etc. )

    It’s like they own you , because in reality , they do own you.
    Now I’m not going to get into the 14th amendment , nor how it was never legally ratified … or even why , because that’s not the issue.
    The issue is , the powers that be have planned to pass the power down to their relatives , etc. They would be negligent if they didn’t.

    Not a theory , this is fact. If you owned a business for generations, you would conspire to pass it along to your loved ones.

    They would be negligent not to do it & we would be negligent not to expect them to do it.

    Population control, eugenics , MAAFA21 , Planned ParentHood , Bill Gates , Margret Singer all tie into the same concept , started with killing the African / Black in America.

    Production / Consumption
    With more emphasis on consumption ( IE: Making $$$ ) & less emphasis on the product’s economy.
    ( IE: The actual cost on the environment / Planetary Ecology. )

    Basically, when the test for natural gas , it messes up the water that the surrounding area drinks, etc. )

    Imagine your only source of water is %10 benzyne, or %5 some crazy toxic chemical. Even %1 over time is harmful.

    *Energy Return on Energy Invested.*

    ^^Important economic equation EREI^^
    If it takes 1 Gal of oil to retrieve 1 Gallon of Oil , that’s 0% EREI.

    Society Based on linear consumption on a finite ( Planet ) system linked to a fiat currency.

    Money is linked to oil & gets printed out of thin air , accordingly.
    Each print of ever new dollar , devalues each & ever other dollar previously in circulation.
    ( Basically , a tax increase without a vote )

    Through end some end of the world, biblical, Mayan calendar ,Solar flare, astrology supporting 2012 theories & signs point to something.

    A Time period the Mayans called ” The Harvesting of Souls. ”

    Has the Government ever enslaved American people? Yes , Black / African Americans

    Has the government killed American people for their resources? Wholesale with WMD’s ( Biological weapons )? Yes , American Indians

    Has the government ever imprisoned American people without due process? Yes , Japanese Americans during WW2.

    Has the government studied new ways of killing Americans & practiced them like Nazi’s? Yes , Tuskegee Syphilis experiment / Polio Chat Vaccine / A.I.D.S. in Africa.

    MAAFA21^^^^^ ( Trailer 2 min )

    Well I’m out, %80 of the folks reading this won’t believe it anyway , the other %10 will do everything to deny & hide it , the last %10 will know what it’s hitting for & investigate the leads I provided & do your own research!

    You can catch the whole MAAFA21 on youtube if you have the guts to watch it!

    I’m Ghost , Swayze like Patrick , Gone!

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    Yes FEMA camps are REAL. Believe it or not they will be used to round up Christians when the anti-christ comes to power. All will be given the option to choose between GOD or the anti-christ. Those who choose the anti-christ will be given the “mark” of the beast. With out this mark, no one will be able to buy or sell anything. All who chose GOD will be put to death. It will be much easier then to control the population as 1/2 of it will be gone. THIS IS NOT FICTION! THIS IS NEARER THAN YOU THINK!

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    This is not only the stupidest thing I have ever heard of, it is impossible to pull off. Most of this country is Christian to begin with and there is no way they can lock up all of the Christians. This will never happen so get over it!

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    I don’t know a single Xtian who has ever even HEARD about the FEMA camps as they’re all too busy following Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck decided to debunk away to save his job which didn’t work as you well know.
    What little I’ve seen or heard about them certainly has nothing to do with religion though I guess if you’re Jewish and you know our government is run and controlled by Jews it may serve your purpose well to make a false claim that the US is actually run and controlled by Xtians and they’re all so stupid they sit at work and cry over FEMA camps, something they’ve never even heard about bc they’re not curious enough to investigate them.
    If the US government ever decides to lock up mass populations of Americans into FEMA Camps, it won’t be about religion, just as it was not about religion when it happened in Germany.

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    clearly you forgot to check out HR 645. you may want to check out what our governement is doing rather than make assinine remarks about conservitives. once you grow up enough to do that you will see that both dems and repubs voted in favor of HR 645 as it passed and was signed into law in jan 2009….nice to be able to debunk your bull shit!

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    @David.Sticking with the symbolism you are attempting to speak of, the Christians did not kill the Jews. It was the Nazi’s or Supremicists. They were against anyone who did not stand for or with them. That includes Christians, Catholics, Blacks, Jews, Whites, Indian, etc. The phrase “sheep in wolf’s clothing” would be more appropriate. Many people have taken charge of societies with many well spoken words at the appropiate times.

    Since you clearly don’t like Christians, let me just say, I would agree that many Christians go beyond biblical living and take personal convictions to extremes. This is bad as they do this in the name of God. Not a Godly way of living. These folks will answer for the way they live and speak of Gods law’s. However, this is not the cause for the paranoia felt by many.

    In relation to the panic people feel about the break down of society, particularly the United States. I would like to convey there is a rampant insecurity floating among society. This is due to the fact that our own government has taken our security away; ie: industrialism, self suffenciency, and have replaced them with fear, doubt, and false sense of hope. Essentialy, society has had their hope stripped from them. Unfornuately, our government is run like many big buisness. They are all run by people who are greedy, underhanded, selfish, liars, and theives. These organizations are all run by micromanagement, impregnating fear into their people, and using their own families and pasts against them to get what they want. Organizations such as this also seem to push their people beyond living and acting in good ethics by rewarding unethical behavior. This mentality among these organizations is, in my opinion, close to treason as it drives people to tyrony.

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