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		<title>By: Atavar pushes religious buttons, taps into ancient thread of unity re-emerging with force today &#171; CyberINKonline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atavar pushes religious buttons, taps into ancient thread of unity re-emerging with force today &#171; CyberINKonline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] response, Mark Stricherz, a self-proclaimed &#8220;orthodox Catholic&#8221; writing on TrueSlant, toed the company line that pantheism was heresy, but still criticized Douthat&#8217;s view and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] response, Mark Stricherz, a self-proclaimed &#8220;orthodox Catholic&#8221; writing on TrueSlant, toed the company line that pantheism was heresy, but still criticized Douthat&#8217;s view and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/markstricherz/2009/12/24/one-cheer-for-avatars-pantheism/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t want to rank Africa&#039;s troubles for the purpose of minimizing some of them. And not all global warming problems reside in the &quot;future,&quot; though they will certainly worsen there. Right now there&#039;s a civil war in Sudan that&#039;s spurred on by climate change and becoming more brutal because of it:

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/cvlw_env_sdn.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to rank Africa&#8217;s troubles for the purpose of minimizing some of them. And not all global warming problems reside in the &#8220;future,&#8221; though they will certainly worsen there. Right now there&#8217;s a civil war in Sudan that&#8217;s spurred on by climate change and becoming more brutal because of it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/cvlw_env_sdn.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/cvlw_env_sdn.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stricherz</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/markstricherz/2009/12/24/one-cheer-for-avatars-pantheism/comment-page-1/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Stricherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Fair enough; you raise a valid concern that global warming may affect the poor in the future. But surely poor Africans need mosquito nets, paved roads, and antiviral drugs more urgently than they do reduced carbon emissions, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Fair enough; you raise a valid concern that global warming may affect the poor in the future. But surely poor Africans need mosquito nets, paved roads, and antiviral drugs more urgently than they do reduced carbon emissions, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/markstricherz/2009/12/24/one-cheer-for-avatars-pantheism/comment-page-1/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I&#039;m a fan of your column, Mark, but I have to join those who urge you to get up to speed on climate change. It should be evident by now that global warming=disease, hunger, and poverty. People don&#039;t want to reduce carbon emissions for their own sake, nor solely for the sake of polar bears (even though some of us do value God&#039;s creatures). Please consider, as merely one example of the effects of warming, that more than one billion people depend for their water supplies on the gradual melt of Himalayan glaciers. We have to be very careful about interfering in that system.

I know you&#039;ve read &quot;Caritas in Veritate,&quot; so you know what Pope Benedict wrote in chapter four, sections 50-53. And to the point: &quot;The way humanity treats the environment influences the way it treats itself, and vice versa.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I&#8217;m a fan of your column, Mark, but I have to join those who urge you to get up to speed on climate change. It should be evident by now that global warming=disease, hunger, and poverty. People don&#8217;t want to reduce carbon emissions for their own sake, nor solely for the sake of polar bears (even though some of us do value God&#8217;s creatures). Please consider, as merely one example of the effects of warming, that more than one billion people depend for their water supplies on the gradual melt of Himalayan glaciers. We have to be very careful about interfering in that system.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;ve read &#8220;Caritas in Veritate,&#8221; so you know what Pope Benedict wrote in chapter four, sections 50-53. And to the point: &#8220;The way humanity treats the environment influences the way it treats itself, and vice versa.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stricherz</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/markstricherz/2009/12/24/one-cheer-for-avatars-pantheism/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Stricherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Calton,

I can&#039;t agree with your conclusions about global warming. 

For one thing, saving polar bears and cutting carbon emissions have little to do with ensuring that poor Africans have mosquito nets and receive adequate antiviral drugs. 

For another, the Vatican&#039;s cri de coeur for &quot;polluting the environment&quot; is a huge umbrella under which global warming occupies a small sliver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Calton,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree with your conclusions about global warming. </p>
<p>For one thing, saving polar bears and cutting carbon emissions have little to do with ensuring that poor Africans have mosquito nets and receive adequate antiviral drugs. </p>
<p>For another, the Vatican&#8217;s cri de coeur for &#8220;polluting the environment&#8221; is a huge umbrella under which global warming occupies a small sliver.</p>
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		<title>By: jcalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can agree that the world’s leaders should spend less time fighting global warming and more time fighting against hunger and disease or securing a family wage for workers.&quot;
I can agree with davidlosangeles that this seems like a nonsequitur. It reminds me an awful lot of the Big Hollywood article dismantled on True/Slant this week.*

I agree that poverty (or wealth &amp; power stratification) is one of the world&#039;s greatest problems. But if you care about the poor, you need to care about global warming. Just google [global warming poverty] to see how intertwined they are.

Incidentally, the Catholic Church agrees with me--presumably the Pope is an orthodox Catholic.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican_bishop_points_to_modern_social_sins/
The seven social sins are:
1. &quot;Bioethical” violations such as birth control
2. &quot;Morally dubious&quot; experiments such as stem cell research
3. Drug abuse
4. Polluting the environment
5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor
6. Excessive wealth
7. Creating poverty 

*http://trueslant.com/conorfriedersdorf/2009/12/23/are-unauthorized-edits-a-useful-approach-to-debate/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can agree that the world’s leaders should spend less time fighting global warming and more time fighting against hunger and disease or securing a family wage for workers.&#8221;<br />
I can agree with davidlosangeles that this seems like a nonsequitur. It reminds me an awful lot of the Big Hollywood article dismantled on True/Slant this week.*</p>
<p>I agree that poverty (or wealth &amp; power stratification) is one of the world&#8217;s greatest problems. But if you care about the poor, you need to care about global warming. Just google [global warming poverty] to see how intertwined they are.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the Catholic Church agrees with me&#8211;presumably the Pope is an orthodox Catholic.<br />
<a href="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican_bishop_points_to_modern_social_sins/" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican_bishop_points_to_modern_social_sins/</a><br />
The seven social sins are:<br />
1. &#8220;Bioethical” violations such as birth control<br />
2. &#8220;Morally dubious&#8221; experiments such as stem cell research<br />
3. Drug abuse<br />
4. Polluting the environment<br />
5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor<br />
6. Excessive wealth<br />
7. Creating poverty </p>
<p>*http://trueslant.com/conorfriedersdorf/2009/12/23/are-unauthorized-edits-a-useful-approach-to-debate/</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stricherz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stricherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. LoSangeles,

Thanks for your detailed reply. As I am headed out to a Christmas party, I can&#039;t respond in full now, but I will attempt to get back to you tonight or tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. LoSangeles,</p>
<p>Thanks for your detailed reply. As I am headed out to a Christmas party, I can&#8217;t respond in full now, but I will attempt to get back to you tonight or tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: davidlosangeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidlosangeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Stricherz,

Pantheism is a very simple concept, that there is no arbitrary distinction between creator and creation, they are one and the same.  Rather than a god in heaven and a created earth below, heaven and earth and god are one.  Contrary to your characterization, pantheism does not hold that &quot;nature&quot; is &quot;god&quot; but rather that all of existence is god, human being included.  You, I, the stars in heaven, the ocean and the fish within, and everything else are all God, not separated from Him (St. Augustine was aghast at the idea that something so low and sinful as a human being could be thought of as part of God, which is why he opposed the idea). Baruch Spinoza, the Jewish Dutch philospher is the greatest exponent of Pantheism.  You would have done well to have read up on him before posting on Pantheism.

You wrote:&quot;Whether you’re an orthodox Catholic like me, a member of the Old Left, or a garden-variety populist, you can agree that the world’s leaders should spend less time fighting global warming and more time fighting against hunger and disease or securing a family wage for workers.&quot;

Why in heaven&#039;s name would anyone agree with that?  I agree that ending hunger and disease and giving working people a living wages are things worth fighting for but so is the world with ice caps. This assertion seems a complete non sequitur to the point of the posting.

I have no idea if Avatar endorses pantheism or not as I have not seen the movie but if one is going to attack pantheism, you had best learn what it actually is.  I don&#039;t think that being or not being a pantheist, or a Christian or not a Christan has anything to do with reducing the emissions of greenhouse gases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Stricherz,</p>
<p>Pantheism is a very simple concept, that there is no arbitrary distinction between creator and creation, they are one and the same.  Rather than a god in heaven and a created earth below, heaven and earth and god are one.  Contrary to your characterization, pantheism does not hold that &#8220;nature&#8221; is &#8220;god&#8221; but rather that all of existence is god, human being included.  You, I, the stars in heaven, the ocean and the fish within, and everything else are all God, not separated from Him (St. Augustine was aghast at the idea that something so low and sinful as a human being could be thought of as part of God, which is why he opposed the idea). Baruch Spinoza, the Jewish Dutch philospher is the greatest exponent of Pantheism.  You would have done well to have read up on him before posting on Pantheism.</p>
<p>You wrote:&#8221;Whether you’re an orthodox Catholic like me, a member of the Old Left, or a garden-variety populist, you can agree that the world’s leaders should spend less time fighting global warming and more time fighting against hunger and disease or securing a family wage for workers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why in heaven&#8217;s name would anyone agree with that?  I agree that ending hunger and disease and giving working people a living wages are things worth fighting for but so is the world with ice caps. This assertion seems a complete non sequitur to the point of the posting.</p>
<p>I have no idea if Avatar endorses pantheism or not as I have not seen the movie but if one is going to attack pantheism, you had best learn what it actually is.  I don&#8217;t think that being or not being a pantheist, or a Christian or not a Christan has anything to do with reducing the emissions of greenhouse gases.</p>
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