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		<title>By: Myth #3: Being a stay-at-home parent is all roses and butterflies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myth #3: Being a stay-at-home parent is all roses and butterflies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] far, Stone has tackled two myths: 1.) An invisible hand in the market dictates that work must be inflexible, brutish, and long, and 2.) Most women who quit their jobs do so because they choose motherhood over career success. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire what you&#039;re doing. Really important work.</description>
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		<title>By: Liz  Kofman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz  Kofman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right you are, Caitlin. That&#039;s why Liz and I feel so strongly that creating a discussion about these issues at an early age, and enabling people to be more pro-active about their decision-making, makes all the difference.

We spent one year interviewing over 100 Gen Y:ers in five countries about work-life issues. Most often, our interviewees had never given the topic much actual, practical thought prior to our interview. But as soon as they got to talking it was like opening the flood-gates! American Y:ers were often shocked to learn how limited their options were, especially compared to what is available to their European peers. 

It became obvious that balance was very much on the agenda with these young people, but that they had no idea how to advocate or move towards it in their own lives, or for society at large. And a lot of that is due to ignorance about the real implications of the status quo- which is where much of the inherent resistance that you&#039;re talking about comes from. 

Yes, employers retain a lot of power, but employers ultimately need qualified employees. What&#039;s more, a lot of research (Pam Stone knows about this as well) shows that flexibility, for instance, is good for the bottom line. We may sound very naive at times, but we&#039;re well aware that changes won&#039;t happen because they&#039;re &quot;right&quot; or &quot;humane,&quot; but because they make business sense.

We&#039;re working to raise awareness about this question and hope Gen Y can, as a generation, get riled up enough to makes some real changes. 

- Astri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right you are, Caitlin. That&#8217;s why Liz and I feel so strongly that creating a discussion about these issues at an early age, and enabling people to be more pro-active about their decision-making, makes all the difference.</p>
<p>We spent one year interviewing over 100 Gen Y:ers in five countries about work-life issues. Most often, our interviewees had never given the topic much actual, practical thought prior to our interview. But as soon as they got to talking it was like opening the flood-gates! American Y:ers were often shocked to learn how limited their options were, especially compared to what is available to their European peers. </p>
<p>It became obvious that balance was very much on the agenda with these young people, but that they had no idea how to advocate or move towards it in their own lives, or for society at large. And a lot of that is due to ignorance about the real implications of the status quo- which is where much of the inherent resistance that you&#8217;re talking about comes from. </p>
<p>Yes, employers retain a lot of power, but employers ultimately need qualified employees. What&#8217;s more, a lot of research (Pam Stone knows about this as well) shows that flexibility, for instance, is good for the bottom line. We may sound very naive at times, but we&#8217;re well aware that changes won&#8217;t happen because they&#8217;re &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;humane,&#8221; but because they make business sense.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re working to raise awareness about this question and hope Gen Y can, as a generation, get riled up enough to makes some real changes. </p>
<p>- Astri</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astri and Liz, the challenge will be to get all those new young workers who feel so differently to form an effective lobby, pay some lobbyist bazillions and get them to K Street. There is such tremendous resistance to change and employers retain so much power in the current structure that it will take some serious mass movement to move that needle. No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astri and Liz, the challenge will be to get all those new young workers who feel so differently to form an effective lobby, pay some lobbyist bazillions and get them to K Street. There is such tremendous resistance to change and employers retain so much power in the current structure that it will take some serious mass movement to move that needle. No?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz  Kofman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz  Kofman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol,

Thank you for your support.

Yes, you are exactly right: so much can depend on changes in the margin. But, in order for people to dare to ask for those kinds of changes, flexible work options need to be de-stigmatized. Unfortunately, some flexible options are-- as Pamela Stone also confirmed-- &quot;gendered,&quot; which in turn has a negative effect. For instance, working from home is considered more gender neutral while working part-time is seen as &quot;feminine.&quot; And, you guessed it, a &quot;feminine&quot; connotation like that is likely to harm your career (just think of the &quot;mommy track&quot;).

A lot of this hinges on attitudinal change. But if we look at rising generations of workers, who  have increasingly egalitarian outlooks in general, those changes may be on the horizon.

Let&#039;s hope so.

Best,

Astri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol,</p>
<p>Thank you for your support.</p>
<p>Yes, you are exactly right: so much can depend on changes in the margin. But, in order for people to dare to ask for those kinds of changes, flexible work options need to be de-stigmatized. Unfortunately, some flexible options are&#8211; as Pamela Stone also confirmed&#8211; &#8220;gendered,&#8221; which in turn has a negative effect. For instance, working from home is considered more gender neutral while working part-time is seen as &#8220;feminine.&#8221; And, you guessed it, a &#8220;feminine&#8221; connotation like that is likely to harm your career (just think of the &#8220;mommy track&#8221;).</p>
<p>A lot of this hinges on attitudinal change. But if we look at rising generations of workers, who  have increasingly egalitarian outlooks in general, those changes may be on the horizon.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope so.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Astri</p>
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		<title>By: Work.Life - Liz Kofman &#38; Astri von Arbin Ahlander - Myth #4: Everything will be different for Gen Y - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Work.Life - Liz Kofman &#38; Astri von Arbin Ahlander - Myth #4: Everything will be different for Gen Y - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Myth #1: An invisible hand in the market dictates that work must be inflexible, brutish, and long. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Work.Life - Liz Kofman &#38; Astri von Arbin Ahlander - Myth #3: Being a stay-at-home parent is all roses and butterflies - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Work.Life - Liz Kofman &#38; Astri von Arbin Ahlander - Myth #3: Being a stay-at-home parent is all roses and butterflies - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] far, Stone has tackled two myths: 1.) An invisible hand in the market dictates that work must be inflexible, brutish, and long, and 2.) Most women who quit their jobs do so because they choose motherhood over career success. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: carolfishmancohen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a long time fan of Pamela Stone and her work. Her point about making changes in the workplace at the margin as opposed to some huge overhaul of how work gets done is spot on. 

What we have found in our work with people reentering the workforce after long career breaks, is that definitions are important.  For example, if someone tells me they want to return to work &quot;part time,&quot; I always ask them to define what they mean by part time.  More often than not, they are referring to face time in the office during business hours; that&#039;s what they need to limit or adjust. Sheer numbers of hours worked are often acceptable to the &quot;part timer&quot; if some of them can be done from home or at odd hours.  

Thank you Liz and Astri for your excellent work - both on video and on this blog.

--Carol Fishman Cohen
Co-author, Back on the Career Track
Co-founder, www.iRelaunch.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a long time fan of Pamela Stone and her work. Her point about making changes in the workplace at the margin as opposed to some huge overhaul of how work gets done is spot on. </p>
<p>What we have found in our work with people reentering the workforce after long career breaks, is that definitions are important.  For example, if someone tells me they want to return to work &#8220;part time,&#8221; I always ask them to define what they mean by part time.  More often than not, they are referring to face time in the office during business hours; that&#8217;s what they need to limit or adjust. Sheer numbers of hours worked are often acceptable to the &#8220;part timer&#8221; if some of them can be done from home or at odd hours.  </p>
<p>Thank you Liz and Astri for your excellent work &#8211; both on video and on this blog.</p>
<p>&#8211;Carol Fishman Cohen<br />
Co-author, Back on the Career Track<br />
Co-founder, <a href="http://www.iRelaunch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iRelaunch.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Liz  Kofman</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/lizandastri/2009/07/13/pamela-stone-dispels-myths-about-the-opt-out-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz  Kofman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more note: in terms of penalties for part-time work, it is not the issue of compensation that is of primary concern, but of the &quot;tracking&quot; that occurs when one works part-time-- even if it is only for a short time during one&#039;s professional career. Workers who work part-time are often excluded from a partnership track, for instance. One alternative  could be to have 14 instead of 7 years on a partnership track for a part-timer. 

The main issue is that part-time shouldn&#039;t have to dead-end your career, the way it now does. Many women who need to work part-time for a period of time because they are still the ones to shoulder the majority of caregiving responsibilities suffer severe penalties when it comes to their career in the future.

Finally: as a Swede, I must say that a lack of European innovation is another myth. Entrepreneurship is well and thriving in socialist Sweden. And, from the interviews that we conducted with young people on both sides of the Atlantic, it actually appears as though the future generation of workers in European countries are as, if not more, inclined to want to start businesses of their own as their American counterparts. Surprising? Perhaps. A lot has changed. Your analysis makes more sense as of two decades ago. A place like Sweden is, today, quite a good place to both live and do business. And its capital, Stockholm, tops economist Richard Florida&#039;s lists on the &quot;creativity index&quot;...

- Astri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more note: in terms of penalties for part-time work, it is not the issue of compensation that is of primary concern, but of the &#8220;tracking&#8221; that occurs when one works part-time&#8211; even if it is only for a short time during one&#8217;s professional career. Workers who work part-time are often excluded from a partnership track, for instance. One alternative  could be to have 14 instead of 7 years on a partnership track for a part-timer. </p>
<p>The main issue is that part-time shouldn&#8217;t have to dead-end your career, the way it now does. Many women who need to work part-time for a period of time because they are still the ones to shoulder the majority of caregiving responsibilities suffer severe penalties when it comes to their career in the future.</p>
<p>Finally: as a Swede, I must say that a lack of European innovation is another myth. Entrepreneurship is well and thriving in socialist Sweden. And, from the interviews that we conducted with young people on both sides of the Atlantic, it actually appears as though the future generation of workers in European countries are as, if not more, inclined to want to start businesses of their own as their American counterparts. Surprising? Perhaps. A lot has changed. Your analysis makes more sense as of two decades ago. A place like Sweden is, today, quite a good place to both live and do business. And its capital, Stockholm, tops economist Richard Florida&#8217;s lists on the &#8220;creativity index&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>- Astri</p>
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		<title>By: Liz  Kofman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz  Kofman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say our country doesn&#039;t treat workers worse than other countries. How so? If workers here aren&#039;t entitled to sick days, vacation, or parental leave, the way they are in other countries, how is it that we&#039;re not being treated worse? 

Same thing goes for our &quot;high&quot; living standards. I suppose it depends on what you view as high living standards. The ability to purchase more cheap stuff? OR actually being able to take and enjoy 4 weeks of vacation, the ability to take several months off to take care of a new born baby, the freedom not to worry about health care if you lose your job. 

As far as unemployment, consider this article and graph in the New York Times, which supports the claim that the US unemployment rate may soon go above Europe’s: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/business/economy/23charts.html?_r=1.

- Liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say our country doesn&#8217;t treat workers worse than other countries. How so? If workers here aren&#8217;t entitled to sick days, vacation, or parental leave, the way they are in other countries, how is it that we&#8217;re not being treated worse? </p>
<p>Same thing goes for our &#8220;high&#8221; living standards. I suppose it depends on what you view as high living standards. The ability to purchase more cheap stuff? OR actually being able to take and enjoy 4 weeks of vacation, the ability to take several months off to take care of a new born baby, the freedom not to worry about health care if you lose your job. </p>
<p>As far as unemployment, consider this article and graph in the New York Times, which supports the claim that the US unemployment rate may soon go above Europe’s: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/business/economy/23charts.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/business/economy/23charts.html?_r=1</a>.</p>
<p>- Liz</p>
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