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		<dc:creator>Hatred Is Hopeless &#124; Chanel News &#124; News &#124; Breaking News &#124; News Headlines &#124; Latest News &#124; World News &#124; US News &#124; Entertainment News &#124; Daily News &#124; News Channel &#124; Sports News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of envy towards those arrogant Raiders and a hopeless self-pity for my beloved Bud &#8230; &#160;  Clark Hoyt, go soak your headA lower editor oh-dears that The Line Has Been Crossedâ€¦you know, that dread border beyond [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of envy towards those arrogant Raiders and a hopeless self-pity for my beloved Bud &#8230; &nbsp;  Clark Hoyt, go soak your headA lower editor oh-dears that The Line Has Been Crossedâ€¦you know, that dread border beyond [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcusbales</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcusbales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attacking the Times for not being funny is NOT like attacking McDonalds for not making health food -- it&#039;s like attacking McDonalds for not making health food when they TRY to make health food. 

Here&#039;s the Times, with what you call a court jester licensed to be funny on your behalf so that you can remain humorlessly earnest, and having approved the court jester&#039;s piece, the Times deides to slap the court jester down because of a phone call from the Penney&#039;s advertising department. Oh, sure, they covered it up by pretending that it was really a case of there still being fat people out there whose fingers can still find most of the appropriate keys on a keyboard without making their copy look like it was typed by a collection of kielbasa, but the Times has managed to withstand the outrage of every kind of minority so long as its advertisers paid their bills. 

The scary thing is that now we have to say &quot;Even the Times has to coddle its advertisers.&quot; Where are the editors who&#039;d say to an advertiser &quot;We write what we please and we have a big audience for that, so if you want our audience, you&#039;ll have to put up with what we write, or go elsewhere&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attacking the Times for not being funny is NOT like attacking McDonalds for not making health food &#8212; it&#8217;s like attacking McDonalds for not making health food when they TRY to make health food. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Times, with what you call a court jester licensed to be funny on your behalf so that you can remain humorlessly earnest, and having approved the court jester&#8217;s piece, the Times deides to slap the court jester down because of a phone call from the Penney&#8217;s advertising department. Oh, sure, they covered it up by pretending that it was really a case of there still being fat people out there whose fingers can still find most of the appropriate keys on a keyboard without making their copy look like it was typed by a collection of kielbasa, but the Times has managed to withstand the outrage of every kind of minority so long as its advertisers paid their bills. </p>
<p>The scary thing is that now we have to say &#8220;Even the Times has to coddle its advertisers.&#8221; Where are the editors who&#8217;d say to an advertiser &#8220;We write what we please and we have a big audience for that, so if you want our audience, you&#8217;ll have to put up with what we write, or go elsewhere&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: marcusbales</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcusbales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really funny piece on rape or lynching? Bring it on! It had better be really funny, though, or you&#039;ll get mocked for failing to be funny.

The issue here is that JC Penney is a big advertiser in the Times, and has enough advertising clout to get the Times editorial board to slap down one of the Times&#039;s own writers for something the Times editorial board had previously approved. THAT is the really scary thing about this.

Even the Times is vulnerable to that phone call from the big advertiser who says &quot;You want my business?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really funny piece on rape or lynching? Bring it on! It had better be really funny, though, or you&#8217;ll get mocked for failing to be funny.</p>
<p>The issue here is that JC Penney is a big advertiser in the Times, and has enough advertising clout to get the Times editorial board to slap down one of the Times&#8217;s own writers for something the Times editorial board had previously approved. THAT is the really scary thing about this.</p>
<p>Even the Times is vulnerable to that phone call from the big advertiser who says &#8220;You want my business?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lewis, your optimism is so refreshing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lewis, your optimism is so refreshing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Grossberger</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/lewisgrossberger/2009/08/24/clark-hoyt-go-soak-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis Grossberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you! That&#039;s the spirit. Some day you&#039;ll probably be made a Times editor and then you can cut the good stuff out of other reporters&#039; copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you! That&#8217;s the spirit. Some day you&#8217;ll probably be made a Times editor and then you can cut the good stuff out of other reporters&#8217; copy.</p>
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		<title>By: mpsycho</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpsycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nobody calls down and says to a reporter or columnist, &quot;Write it this way.&quot; You call it the way you see it. That&#039;s what provides the leadership.&quot;

-Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, from &quot;The American Establishment&quot;, by Leonard Silk and Mark Silk, (1980), p.66

Guess the Times has changed, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nobody calls down and says to a reporter or columnist, &#8220;Write it this way.&#8221; You call it the way you see it. That&#8217;s what provides the leadership.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, from &#8220;The American Establishment&#8221;, by Leonard Silk and Mark Silk, (1980), p.66</p>
<p>Guess the Times has changed, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/lewisgrossberger/2009/08/24/clark-hoyt-go-soak-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept cuts and changes to my Times copy for a simple reason. It&#039;s what they want and it is they who sign the check. My ego doesn&#039;t need to assert itself in every syllable of mine that sees print. For some writers, it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept cuts and changes to my Times copy for a simple reason. It&#8217;s what they want and it is they who sign the check. My ego doesn&#8217;t need to assert itself in every syllable of mine that sees print. For some writers, it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Grossberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Grossberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t say everything in the paper has to be funny...though that would be quite a thing to see! But why can&#039;t writers with the talent to be funny, in appropriate places--fashion/style, sports, pop culture, certain feature pieces--be allowed to? That&#039;s not what the NYT does? Yeah, well, what it does doesn&#039;t seem to be working so well, does it? I say loosen up, not just on humor but on good writing in general. Why is it that good magazines like the New Yorker can run 6,000 words on oatmeal and I want to read the whole piece whereas in the Times I quit one story after another after a few grafs? Why is it the Brit obit pages can tell the truth about powerful, obnoxious dead people and do fascinating yarns on eccentrics while the Times obits are mostly dull? Why is the Times magazine so unremittingly boring? How come you so placidly accept the editors cutting your good stuff? Do you not think it would make for a better paper if editors were told to change only things that were incorrect and stop emasculating writers who can write well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t say everything in the paper has to be funny&#8230;though that would be quite a thing to see! But why can&#8217;t writers with the talent to be funny, in appropriate places&#8211;fashion/style, sports, pop culture, certain feature pieces&#8211;be allowed to? That&#8217;s not what the NYT does? Yeah, well, what it does doesn&#8217;t seem to be working so well, does it? I say loosen up, not just on humor but on good writing in general. Why is it that good magazines like the New Yorker can run 6,000 words on oatmeal and I want to read the whole piece whereas in the Times I quit one story after another after a few grafs? Why is it the Brit obit pages can tell the truth about powerful, obnoxious dead people and do fascinating yarns on eccentrics while the Times obits are mostly dull? Why is the Times magazine so unremittingly boring? How come you so placidly accept the editors cutting your good stuff? Do you not think it would make for a better paper if editors were told to change only things that were incorrect and stop emasculating writers who can write well?</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Hit &#171; Lizr128&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/lewisgrossberger/2009/08/24/clark-hoyt-go-soak-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Hit &#171; Lizr128&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of her fans thinks that the alternative to nasty and inaccurate is boring. This guy believes Hoyt and Times [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of her fans thinks that the alternative to nasty and inaccurate is boring. This guy believes Hoyt and Times [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cgwalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgwalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah. Get in line Lewis, I&#039;ve been a fan of Cintra Wilson for years. Her brand of funny, GOOD. Thanks for sticking up for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah. Get in line Lewis, I&#8217;ve been a fan of Cintra Wilson for years. Her brand of funny, GOOD. Thanks for sticking up for her.</p>
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