Comments on: 60 Senators vote to allow debate on Reid health care reform bill: What’s next?

By: Michael Roston

Michael Roston — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:25:53 +0000

As ever, Andy, I enjoy reading your Glenn Beck fan fiction.

To correct your spurious claims about Obamacare sending people to jail, here’s how it works:

1. Obamacare mandates that all Americans who don’t have health care via their employer buy health insurance.

2. Failure to purchase health insurance results in a tax to cover the expenses you and other uninsured Americans rack up at the emergency room when you get sick/injured.

3. Failure to pay the tax results in civil penalties from the Internal Revenue Service – just like if you refuse to pay your income taxes now.

4. Repeated refusal to pay the IRS’s penalties results in jail time. It’s called being a tax cheat, and fortunately we live in a country where repeated refusal to pay one’s taxes results in jail sentences for the scofflaws in question.

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Of course, there are some intervening factors here. Courts could find that the mandate is unconstitutional, and then no one who refuses to buy health insurance will ever go to jail. If health care reform passes, I’m sure this question will be taken up as quickly as possible by some tax protesting group or other.

But until then, don’t worry, Andy. Insure yourself and your family from health expenses, or choose to pay the tax instead and you will *never ever* go to jail.

By: Michael Roston

Michael Roston — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:16:18 +0000

You rightly point out, Jerry, that the Senate is an insane asylum for the greatest cretins ever found by the mental health profession.

Last night’s vote was a vote to start debate on the Reid health care reform bill (which is, typically, attached to a completely unrelated piece of House legislation – the ‘Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009′ in this case). Prior to an up or down vote on the legislation, there has to be an intervening vote to cut of further debate on the legislation. That’s where the Lieberman/Nelson/Lincoln, and possibly Landrieu filibuster threat comes in.

By: Jerry Lanson

Jerry Lanson — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:13:02 +0000

Michael,
Maybe you, Rick or someone else can clarify something I’m unclear of. At what point — if at all now — can the outcome again be threatened by filibuster? If the answer is never, as I had thought it was, then the threat of Lincoln, Nelson and Lieberman is meaningless. The bill can now pass with 51 votes in the Senate. But perhaps I’m wrong. Let’s assume this goes through Senate debate and is passed. That requires only a majority vote now, right? Then it goes to conference committee. Is the vote on a bill that comes out of conference committee open to filibuster? If not, the threats of the conservative Democrats is just so much hot air, no?

By: andylevinson

andylevinson — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:53:01 +0000

Landreiu vote was bought for $300 million and you question the messenger?

The FBI should take both crackheads reid and Landreui into custody…and they would if we had an honest attorney general.

Who are the 6%, or 18,000,000 americans who thugboy reid says WON”T be covered by the health bill?

By: humphreylee

humphreylee — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:39 +0000

Just curious, but have you ever tripped and fallen over while jumping at shadows? Or at least strained a muscle while reaching too far? Seems to me like you might be a person in great need of Health Care with these kinds of tendencies…

By: andylevinson

andylevinson — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:12:38 +0000

Moary Landrieu admits selling her vote….for $300 million.(from rollcall.com)

These two crackheads are political thugs, reid and landreiu…and the FBI should look into this…these are in your face daylight gangsters
of the highest degree…in fact…they make the Mafia look like boy scouts…..

By: andylevinson

andylevinson — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:13:24 +0000

It is becoming clearer who the enemy is.

There are some Americans left, all true Americans will resist this tyranny,senate thugs, white house thugs, or house of representative thugs…..the people still own this country,it is your duty as Americans to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic…

The issues will become clearer as Obama’s thugs drag your sons and daughters mothers and father from their homes….for the NEW crime of not buying health care from Barack Obama.

By: Rick Ungar

Rick Ungar — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:43:36 +0000

The fun has just begun.