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	<title>Comments on: For Obama and Gates, identification just isn&#8217;t enough</title>
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		<title>By: On the appearance of breaking into houses that one lives in &#171; don&#8217;t do that</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jessicafayecarter/2009/07/25/for-obama-and-gates-identification-just-isnt-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>On the appearance of breaking into houses that one lives in &#171; don&#8217;t do that</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andrepreoteasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrepreoteasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Americans are more racist at the &quot;fact&quot; that Obama is a Muslim.  I think that adds fuel to the fire.

Of course he&#039;s not a Muslim and it would be great if religion wasn&#039;t part of politics, of which both McCain and Obama were at fault for levering their religion to gain votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Americans are more racist at the &#8220;fact&#8221; that Obama is a Muslim.  I think that adds fuel to the fire.</p>
<p>Of course he&#8217;s not a Muslim and it would be great if religion wasn&#8217;t part of politics, of which both McCain and Obama were at fault for levering their religion to gain votes.</p>
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		<title>By: davidlosangeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidlosangeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same thing happened to me once.  I was stopped while driving in a neighborhood I did not seem to belong in, which was technically correct since I lived in a different municipality about 1 mile away.  The officer checked my drivers license and handed it back (I did not get a ticket) but after I had put the license back in my wallet he asked as casually as could &quot;Oh, what city did you say you lived in?&quot;. He wanted to see if I would remember the name of the city that was shown on my possibly fake drivers license.  I could imagine that the officer in this case was sure that Dr. Gates&#039; ID was fake and that the officer from Harvard University could verify this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing happened to me once.  I was stopped while driving in a neighborhood I did not seem to belong in, which was technically correct since I lived in a different municipality about 1 mile away.  The officer checked my drivers license and handed it back (I did not get a ticket) but after I had put the license back in my wallet he asked as casually as could &#8220;Oh, what city did you say you lived in?&#8221;. He wanted to see if I would remember the name of the city that was shown on my possibly fake drivers license.  I could imagine that the officer in this case was sure that Dr. Gates&#8217; ID was fake and that the officer from Harvard University could verify this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Faye Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Faye Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>briano,

I almost wrote a column with that title: &quot;A Tale of Two Egos&quot; but then tabled it for another piece. I firmly believe that testosterone was a contributing factor in this incident. Even after the incident, in another sign of ego, neither man would admit to crossing a line.

Good point and thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>briano,</p>
<p>I almost wrote a column with that title: &#8220;A Tale of Two Egos&#8221; but then tabled it for another piece. I firmly believe that testosterone was a contributing factor in this incident. Even after the incident, in another sign of ego, neither man would admit to crossing a line.</p>
<p>Good point and thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Faye Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Faye Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David. I appreciate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David. I appreciate that.</p>
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		<title>By: briano</title>
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		<dc:creator>briano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that more than &quot;fear of black people&quot;, there is a power trip going on here.  This officer&#039;s ego definitely comes into play here.  I agree that as soon as Dr. Gates showed identification, Officer Crowley should have apologized and moved on.  However, his ego got in the way and he could not admit that he was wrong.  That is probably why he called in the Harvard police, so that he didn&#039;t have to admit that he was wrong.  Not saying that none of this had to do with the fact that the professor was black, but I&#039;m saying that I think there is more than racism at work here.  Is it possible that Dr. Gates automatically jumped to the conclusion that he was only approached by the police in the first place because he is black?  Sounds like it could possible be a tale of two egos here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that more than &#8220;fear of black people&#8221;, there is a power trip going on here.  This officer&#8217;s ego definitely comes into play here.  I agree that as soon as Dr. Gates showed identification, Officer Crowley should have apologized and moved on.  However, his ego got in the way and he could not admit that he was wrong.  That is probably why he called in the Harvard police, so that he didn&#8217;t have to admit that he was wrong.  Not saying that none of this had to do with the fact that the professor was black, but I&#8217;m saying that I think there is more than racism at work here.  Is it possible that Dr. Gates automatically jumped to the conclusion that he was only approached by the police in the first place because he is black?  Sounds like it could possible be a tale of two egos here.</p>
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		<title>By: David Eisenbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Eisenbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really like how you connected things.  Well done. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really like how you connected things.  Well done. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Faye Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Faye Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>davidlosangeles, 

Thanks for your comments; you have raised very interesting points. I do think there is an underlying mistrust of Blacks that sometimes translates into a perception of &quot;ill-gotten gains,&quot; though I don&#039;t always think this is the case.  You could be right that Sgt. Crowley called the Harvard police to expose the fraud. That didn&#039;t occur to me.

I do, however, maintain that success/power is a key issue is Gatesgate, not just as a symptom of broader mistrust of Blacks (which it is to some extent), but as a deep-seated problem in its own right. Many Americans have a certain comfort level with Blacks who have societal roles viewed as &quot;suitable&quot; for them (e.g., secretaries, domestic roles, entertainers), but become extremely uncomfortable with Blacks in any authoritative role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>davidlosangeles, </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments; you have raised very interesting points. I do think there is an underlying mistrust of Blacks that sometimes translates into a perception of &#8220;ill-gotten gains,&#8221; though I don&#8217;t always think this is the case.  You could be right that Sgt. Crowley called the Harvard police to expose the fraud. That didn&#8217;t occur to me.</p>
<p>I do, however, maintain that success/power is a key issue is Gatesgate, not just as a symptom of broader mistrust of Blacks (which it is to some extent), but as a deep-seated problem in its own right. Many Americans have a certain comfort level with Blacks who have societal roles viewed as &#8220;suitable&#8221; for them (e.g., secretaries, domestic roles, entertainers), but become extremely uncomfortable with Blacks in any authoritative role.</p>
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		<title>By: davidlosangeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidlosangeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms.Carter,

I think you (and Mr. Fish) are quite correct that there is sizable population of people who cannot believe that Black people can achieve financial or social or political success. They want to see the proof that they know does not exist.  Dr. Gates &quot;proof&quot; must be fraudulent so the officer had to call the Harvard Police to prove this fraud.

However, I think that this is merely the most visible aspect of the broader concept that anything that any Black person has, has probably been obtained inappropriately, if not actually illegally.  The Black driver of that car may have stolen it but if he does own it, he bought with ill gotten money.  He may not have broken any traffic law but was probably on his way to break the law, if not coming back from having done so.

Whether a Black person is &quot;successful&quot; is really not the point.  All black people are assumed to be have criminal intent, if not criminal success.  It is the experience of successful Black people of being treated like criminals that throws a spotlight on this issue but it is not the issue itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms.Carter,</p>
<p>I think you (and Mr. Fish) are quite correct that there is sizable population of people who cannot believe that Black people can achieve financial or social or political success. They want to see the proof that they know does not exist.  Dr. Gates &#8220;proof&#8221; must be fraudulent so the officer had to call the Harvard Police to prove this fraud.</p>
<p>However, I think that this is merely the most visible aspect of the broader concept that anything that any Black person has, has probably been obtained inappropriately, if not actually illegally.  The Black driver of that car may have stolen it but if he does own it, he bought with ill gotten money.  He may not have broken any traffic law but was probably on his way to break the law, if not coming back from having done so.</p>
<p>Whether a Black person is &#8220;successful&#8221; is really not the point.  All black people are assumed to be have criminal intent, if not criminal success.  It is the experience of successful Black people of being treated like criminals that throws a spotlight on this issue but it is not the issue itself.</p>
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