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		<title>By: Jerry Lanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Lanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again, Graham. The question in such cases is who politicized what?
For example, you may or may not be among those who believe that Charles Darwin politicized creationism. Others might call that science. Science and fervent belief aren&#039;t the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again, Graham. The question in such cases is who politicized what?<br />
For example, you may or may not be among those who believe that Charles Darwin politicized creationism. Others might call that science. Science and fervent belief aren&#8217;t the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if man-made Global Warming is a hoax or not.  I do know the issue has become so politicized that a fair discussion of the true data is virtually impossible.  Those who believe (and in many cases are profiting from the theory) are so blinded they are willing to falsify data, suppress conflicting evidence and brand anyone who questions the theory as &quot;holocaust deniers.&quot;  

Add to that a national media that has abdicated its role as guardians of truth by almost universally amplifying the worst propaganda of the Global Warming theory without serious investigation.

The melting of the Greenland ice sheet alone will cause sea levels to rise 20 feet?  Do the math.  It&#039;s a ridiculous assertion.  When we are force fed garbage like that, skepticism is healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if man-made Global Warming is a hoax or not.  I do know the issue has become so politicized that a fair discussion of the true data is virtually impossible.  Those who believe (and in many cases are profiting from the theory) are so blinded they are willing to falsify data, suppress conflicting evidence and brand anyone who questions the theory as &#8220;holocaust deniers.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Add to that a national media that has abdicated its role as guardians of truth by almost universally amplifying the worst propaganda of the Global Warming theory without serious investigation.</p>
<p>The melting of the Greenland ice sheet alone will cause sea levels to rise 20 feet?  Do the math.  It&#8217;s a ridiculous assertion.  When we are force fed garbage like that, skepticism is healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: bradleyfikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradleyfikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Goldstein,
I&#039;m not interested in PERCEPTION-CHANGING material, I&#039;m interested in facts And as a reporter who covers science, I&#039;m shocked at the low level of argument and the unwillingness to confront contrary data on the global warming issue -- by AGW backers as well as deniers.

A fair look at the issue would examine all the evidence, including that which doesn&#039;t fit in with AGW, like the cosmic ray hypothesis. It&#039;s published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Pro-AGW scientists plainly regard the hypothesis and want it to go away. One team even built a computer model to try to discredit it and quash any future research. How very scientific.

If we&#039;re going to teach children about the way science works, let&#039;s discuss critical thinking, and the need for skepticism. And let&#039;s spend some time on the need to address the stronger points of opposing ideas, instead of the scientifically invalid and illogical trick of attacking a straw man.

I don&#039;t see that in your lessons for teachers. They seem more like a parody of Gaia-worship, the religion of global warming, Paul Ehrlich&#039;s discredited nonsense. In their demand for unquestioning belief, your &quot;science&quot; has more to do with creationism. Disbelief is bad!

Children taught your way will only learn a dim parody of science. Are you so afraid that a fair evaluation of the facts might go against you that you so intellectually debase yourself by resorting to this propaganda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Goldstein,<br />
I&#8217;m not interested in PERCEPTION-CHANGING material, I&#8217;m interested in facts And as a reporter who covers science, I&#8217;m shocked at the low level of argument and the unwillingness to confront contrary data on the global warming issue &#8212; by AGW backers as well as deniers.</p>
<p>A fair look at the issue would examine all the evidence, including that which doesn&#8217;t fit in with AGW, like the cosmic ray hypothesis. It&#8217;s published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Pro-AGW scientists plainly regard the hypothesis and want it to go away. One team even built a computer model to try to discredit it and quash any future research. How very scientific.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to teach children about the way science works, let&#8217;s discuss critical thinking, and the need for skepticism. And let&#8217;s spend some time on the need to address the stronger points of opposing ideas, instead of the scientifically invalid and illogical trick of attacking a straw man.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that in your lessons for teachers. They seem more like a parody of Gaia-worship, the religion of global warming, Paul Ehrlich&#8217;s discredited nonsense. In their demand for unquestioning belief, your &#8220;science&#8221; has more to do with creationism. Disbelief is bad!</p>
<p>Children taught your way will only learn a dim parody of science. Are you so afraid that a fair evaluation of the facts might go against you that you so intellectually debase yourself by resorting to this propaganda?</p>
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		<title>By: David Knowles - Paradigms Lost &#8211; The myth of &#8216;global cooling&#8217; - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Knowles - Paradigms Lost &#8211; The myth of &#8216;global cooling&#8217; - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeffgoldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffgoldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about education. Those loud voices espousing that GW is not real, or that it is certainly not from human activity, are swaying those that are willing to listen. We&#039;re doing a bad job of informing and educating those willing to listen with regard to climate change.  The level of misinformation is stunning, and it is presented in a manner that seems reasonable to folks.

I&#039;ve tried to do my part-
Here&#039;s a post on the myth that increasing concentrations of a TRACE gas like CO2 can&#039;t possibly impact the global environment:
http://bit.ly/1HN3VE


And here are some PERCEPTION-CHANGING posts on Climate Change and Global Warming at Blog on the Universe.

Understanding Human-Induced Climate Change: &quot;A Day in the Life of the Earth&quot;
http://bit.ly/2uhzdO

How many more people on Earth in a day, a week, a month, a year? (Stunning)
http://bit.ly/b6APK

The biomass of the Human race must be huge to impact climate! Uh ... nope.
http://bit.ly/HJqIC

Apples  - and the fragility of the Atmosphere
http://bit.ly/p6YNs


Dr. Jeff Goldstein
Center Director
National Center for Earth and Space Science Education
USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about education. Those loud voices espousing that GW is not real, or that it is certainly not from human activity, are swaying those that are willing to listen. We&#8217;re doing a bad job of informing and educating those willing to listen with regard to climate change.  The level of misinformation is stunning, and it is presented in a manner that seems reasonable to folks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to do my part-<br />
Here&#8217;s a post on the myth that increasing concentrations of a TRACE gas like CO2 can&#8217;t possibly impact the global environment:<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/1HN3VE" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1HN3VE</a></p>
<p>And here are some PERCEPTION-CHANGING posts on Climate Change and Global Warming at Blog on the Universe.</p>
<p>Understanding Human-Induced Climate Change: &#8220;A Day in the Life of the Earth&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/2uhzdO" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2uhzdO</a></p>
<p>How many more people on Earth in a day, a week, a month, a year? (Stunning)<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/b6APK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/b6APK</a></p>
<p>The biomass of the Human race must be huge to impact climate! Uh &#8230; nope.<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/HJqIC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/HJqIC</a></p>
<p>Apples  &#8211; and the fragility of the Atmosphere<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/p6YNs" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/p6YNs</a></p>
<p>Dr. Jeff Goldstein<br />
Center Director<br />
National Center for Earth and Space Science Education<br />
USA</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Lanson</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jerrylanson/2009/10/24/why-are-americans-so-apathetic-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Lanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s remarkable how noise echoes around the blogosphere. Why do Americans get confused about the scientific consensus on climate change? Read the comments here for a hint. Science can and should be questioned (it turns out the world is not flat) but not selectively manipulated.  The overwhelming weight of scientific papers and evidence on climate change stands. It&#039;s well documented. Its implications are indeed &quot;very serious&quot; though just over a third of Americans see it that way. Let me leave you (and I won&#039;t be back, which is what I meant by bowing out a few posts ago, with the point with which I started):

&quot;Why are Americans, in the ninth year of the 21st century, at best lackadaisical about science and the evidence it provides and documents? .... Is it because we are a nation so corrupted by the money of lobbyists and so mesmerized by the zealotry of true believers that we can no longer step back to engage the evidence?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s remarkable how noise echoes around the blogosphere. Why do Americans get confused about the scientific consensus on climate change? Read the comments here for a hint. Science can and should be questioned (it turns out the world is not flat) but not selectively manipulated.  The overwhelming weight of scientific papers and evidence on climate change stands. It&#8217;s well documented. Its implications are indeed &#8220;very serious&#8221; though just over a third of Americans see it that way. Let me leave you (and I won&#8217;t be back, which is what I meant by bowing out a few posts ago, with the point with which I started):</p>
<p>&#8220;Why are Americans, in the ninth year of the 21st century, at best lackadaisical about science and the evidence it provides and documents? &#8230;. Is it because we are a nation so corrupted by the money of lobbyists and so mesmerized by the zealotry of true believers that we can no longer step back to engage the evidence?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: itfitzme</title>
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		<dc:creator>itfitzme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s see.  Al Gore worked in politics, and spent decades studying AWG.  And that he began studying it before you learned how to wipe your asses and personally knows more AWG scientists than you&#039;ve even read about pretty much makes his &quot;Inconvenient Truth&quot; presentation based on more informed information.

See, the problem is, that &quot;Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist&quot; isn&#039;t an argument for or against the science of AWG.  It&#039;s a lame attempt at an argument about something else entirely.

Like I said, there are more ways to come up with a dumb argument than there are ways to present the actual facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s see.  Al Gore worked in politics, and spent decades studying AWG.  And that he began studying it before you learned how to wipe your asses and personally knows more AWG scientists than you&#8217;ve even read about pretty much makes his &#8220;Inconvenient Truth&#8221; presentation based on more informed information.</p>
<p>See, the problem is, that &#8220;Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist&#8221; isn&#8217;t an argument for or against the science of AWG.  It&#8217;s a lame attempt at an argument about something else entirely.</p>
<p>Like I said, there are more ways to come up with a dumb argument than there are ways to present the actual facts.</p>
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		<title>By: itfitzme</title>
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		<dc:creator>itfitzme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no debate over global warming. 

That would be like saying the Ski Patrol, while rescuing a skier, is debating over whether the skier broke his leg.  

It&#039;s like saying that two people looking looking a road map and discussing which road to take are debating where their going. 

It&#039;s perfectly clear that there is global warming.

1)  Temperatures are at the highest ever as far back as the data goes, that&#039;s like 2 millenniums. 

2)  The ocean record demonstrates the sea level has continued to get increase.

3)   CO2 levels have continued to increase right along with the temperature and sea level rise.

Maybe there is debate among the misinformed. 

But that&#039;s like saying that there is a debate over the mental health of the patient because some schizophrenic guy in he corner of the room keeps arguing with himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no debate over global warming. </p>
<p>That would be like saying the Ski Patrol, while rescuing a skier, is debating over whether the skier broke his leg.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like saying that two people looking looking a road map and discussing which road to take are debating where their going. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s perfectly clear that there is global warming.</p>
<p>1)  Temperatures are at the highest ever as far back as the data goes, that&#8217;s like 2 millenniums. </p>
<p>2)  The ocean record demonstrates the sea level has continued to get increase.</p>
<p>3)   CO2 levels have continued to increase right along with the temperature and sea level rise.</p>
<p>Maybe there is debate among the misinformed. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s like saying that there is a debate over the mental health of the patient because some schizophrenic guy in he corner of the room keeps arguing with himself.</p>
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		<title>By: itfitzme</title>
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		<dc:creator>itfitzme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, while I agree with your comment that many do not fully understand variability in complex systems, I&#039;m afraid in Jerry&#039;s case, your being too generous.  Apparently, his checking account is too complex of a system for him.

It goes up, it goes down.  Then every so often when there&#039;s a couple of extra bucks, I put some in my savings account.  On average, my checking account keeps accumulating a little bit even though every two weeks I make a paycheck deposit and during the following weeks, I pay a bunch of bills.

It&#039;s just not that hard to understand if our actually trying to understand it first, before pulling some dumb argument out of our assets.

I&#039;ve heard much more intelligent questions about the science.  And the intelligent ones are usually predicated with, &quot;I&#039;m not saying that AWG is wrong, I&#039;m just not sure about this thing.&quot;

What I find is that there are more ways to be dumb than there are ways to be reasonably intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, while I agree with your comment that many do not fully understand variability in complex systems, I&#8217;m afraid in Jerry&#8217;s case, your being too generous.  Apparently, his checking account is too complex of a system for him.</p>
<p>It goes up, it goes down.  Then every so often when there&#8217;s a couple of extra bucks, I put some in my savings account.  On average, my checking account keeps accumulating a little bit even though every two weeks I make a paycheck deposit and during the following weeks, I pay a bunch of bills.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not that hard to understand if our actually trying to understand it first, before pulling some dumb argument out of our assets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard much more intelligent questions about the science.  And the intelligent ones are usually predicated with, &#8220;I&#8217;m not saying that AWG is wrong, I&#8217;m just not sure about this thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I find is that there are more ways to be dumb than there are ways to be reasonably intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: itfitzme</title>
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		<dc:creator>itfitzme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that &quot;it has been getting cooler since 1998&quot; just demonstrates a lack of understanding basic math.  

Let&#039;s see, the global warming trend is a 100 year trend of average increase.  It&#039;s been getting cooler for two years.

Hmm.. lets see, for the last ten years, I&#039;ve saved an average of $10 a week.  Some weeks more, some weeks less.  Last week I spent $300 from my savings on a new set of tires.  That $300 dollar withdrawal doesn&#039;t change the average savings over ten years.  I sill have $4900 in the bank.  Especially when my next paycheck comes in and I start putting $20 a week in for a while.

In the short term, it goes up, it goes down.  In the long run, it just keeps going up.

I try real hard not to call people stupid.  Sometimes, it&#039;s not a point about AWG. Sometimes, it&#039;s the point that this guy is just plain stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that &#8220;it has been getting cooler since 1998&#8243; just demonstrates a lack of understanding basic math.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, the global warming trend is a 100 year trend of average increase.  It&#8217;s been getting cooler for two years.</p>
<p>Hmm.. lets see, for the last ten years, I&#8217;ve saved an average of $10 a week.  Some weeks more, some weeks less.  Last week I spent $300 from my savings on a new set of tires.  That $300 dollar withdrawal doesn&#8217;t change the average savings over ten years.  I sill have $4900 in the bank.  Especially when my next paycheck comes in and I start putting $20 a week in for a while.</p>
<p>In the short term, it goes up, it goes down.  In the long run, it just keeps going up.</p>
<p>I try real hard not to call people stupid.  Sometimes, it&#8217;s not a point about AWG. Sometimes, it&#8217;s the point that this guy is just plain stupid.</p>
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