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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon - Scorched Earth - Four places to board the radical transparency movement - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon - Scorched Earth - Four places to board the radical transparency movement - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] transparency on credit-card companies. The movement also appears in the controversial cartoon, The Story of Stuff, that tells kids the real story behind all the stuff we buy, use, and throw [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jeffmcmahon/2009/05/13/story-of-stuff-1/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 04:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dodo bird: also factual.</description>
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		<title>By: ghowardjr</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jeffmcmahon/2009/05/13/story-of-stuff-1/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>ghowardjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attempts at humor in response to facts...yeah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attempts at humor in response to facts&#8230;yeah</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shall do so, Gary, but not until after I finish feasting on this delicious dodo bird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shall do so, Gary, but not until after I finish feasting on this delicious dodo bird.</p>
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		<title>By: ghowardjr</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jeffmcmahon/2009/05/13/story-of-stuff-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>ghowardjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First read this:
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

Then go back and watch the &quot;Story of Stuff&quot; video.  Those malthusian theories have been disproved by Simon, Lomborg, and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First read this:<br />
<a href="http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/</a></p>
<p>Then go back and watch the &#8220;Story of Stuff&#8221; video.  Those malthusian theories have been disproved by Simon, Lomborg, and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jeffmcmahon/2009/05/13/story-of-stuff-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for making those points, Philip. There are lots of studies of the toxic effects of brominated flame retardants, though I don&#039;t know any of the studies have focused on pillows. Annie Leonard&#039;s larger point in that segment of the video is that we don&#039;t know the effects of all the toxins we use, that no matter how many studies there have been, there haven&#039;t been enough. She&#039;s taken a lot of heat for her statistics, and I certainly would not want to be in the position of defending each of them, but she has answered with an annotated transcript you can find at storyofstuff.org. Studies or no studies, the rhetorical strategy seems effective... she&#039;s simply pointing out that we lay our heads on neurotoxins nightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making those points, Philip. There are lots of studies of the toxic effects of brominated flame retardants, though I don&#8217;t know any of the studies have focused on pillows. Annie Leonard&#8217;s larger point in that segment of the video is that we don&#8217;t know the effects of all the toxins we use, that no matter how many studies there have been, there haven&#8217;t been enough. She&#8217;s taken a lot of heat for her statistics, and I certainly would not want to be in the position of defending each of them, but she has answered with an annotated transcript you can find at storyofstuff.org. Studies or no studies, the rhetorical strategy seems effective&#8230; she&#8217;s simply pointing out that we lay our heads on neurotoxins nightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Leitner</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/jeffmcmahon/2009/05/13/story-of-stuff-1/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Leitner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the big issue with this video is that she isn&#039;t coming from a middle-point on these issues.  She&#039;s saying that we are purposely trashing the planet, in very emphatic ways, and of course kids, being impressionable, are going to soak this up like a sponge.  

And in reference to the limits, I agree.  There are plenty of right wingers who throw around the word &quot;commie&quot; just because they hear it as a talking point on a TV or radio show.  But I that there should be limits on things like lawsuits against these companies.  In the end, these places are businesses that are there to make money, and if there are lawsuits slapped on them all the time because of one person claiming something happened to them as a result of their product, they will close.  Case in point is the whole pillow issue brought up.  We &quot;douse our pillows&quot; in neurotoxins to be flame-retardent because someone, sometime had their pillow catch on fire and burn them and then decided to sue the pillow-making company instead of taking responsibility for the fact that they left their candle burning too close to their bed (or whatever the situation is).  So they compensate by making the pillows fireproof, but of course chemicals do this best, and now, in an effort to protect people&#039;s pillows from spontaneously combusting, they use these chemicals to make sure the issue doesn&#039;t happen again.  So I think it is less an issue, at least for me, of being against regulation, but being for regulation of things that are important.  I think the lawsuit industry should be regulated so that we have less frivolous lawsuits and allow these companies to flourish in productive (and even sustainable) ways without fear of being sued, thus causing over-compensation.

And, not saying this sarcastically Jeff, I would really like to see references for any sort of claim that sleeping on mass produced pillows has caused health issues.  Unless that statement was facetious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the big issue with this video is that she isn&#8217;t coming from a middle-point on these issues.  She&#8217;s saying that we are purposely trashing the planet, in very emphatic ways, and of course kids, being impressionable, are going to soak this up like a sponge.  </p>
<p>And in reference to the limits, I agree.  There are plenty of right wingers who throw around the word &#8220;commie&#8221; just because they hear it as a talking point on a TV or radio show.  But I that there should be limits on things like lawsuits against these companies.  In the end, these places are businesses that are there to make money, and if there are lawsuits slapped on them all the time because of one person claiming something happened to them as a result of their product, they will close.  Case in point is the whole pillow issue brought up.  We &#8220;douse our pillows&#8221; in neurotoxins to be flame-retardent because someone, sometime had their pillow catch on fire and burn them and then decided to sue the pillow-making company instead of taking responsibility for the fact that they left their candle burning too close to their bed (or whatever the situation is).  So they compensate by making the pillows fireproof, but of course chemicals do this best, and now, in an effort to protect people&#8217;s pillows from spontaneously combusting, they use these chemicals to make sure the issue doesn&#8217;t happen again.  So I think it is less an issue, at least for me, of being against regulation, but being for regulation of things that are important.  I think the lawsuit industry should be regulated so that we have less frivolous lawsuits and allow these companies to flourish in productive (and even sustainable) ways without fear of being sued, thus causing over-compensation.</p>
<p>And, not saying this sarcastically Jeff, I would really like to see references for any sort of claim that sleeping on mass produced pillows has caused health issues.  Unless that statement was facetious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McMahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Joseph, and yet you would think it would be prudent for capitalists to know the limits. Long-term vision seems to be out of bounds. Is it because of short-term greed? Or is it faith in the market? If Milton Friedman were still around, we could ask him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Joseph, and yet you would think it would be prudent for capitalists to know the limits. Long-term vision seems to be out of bounds. Is it because of short-term greed? Or is it faith in the market? If Milton Friedman were still around, we could ask him.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Childers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Childers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any time you suggest there might be limits of any kind, you&#039;re accused of being a commie.  Same old tired script.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any time you suggest there might be limits of any kind, you&#8217;re accused of being a commie.  Same old tired script.</p>
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