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		<title>By: username</title>
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		<dc:creator>username</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 06:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fran,
      sorry but your comentary is loaded with
inaccurate info, perhaps you should research your subject a little better or stick to topics in which you have real expertise.

Brgds,
Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fran,<br />
      sorry but your comentary is loaded with<br />
inaccurate info, perhaps you should research your subject a little better or stick to topics in which you have real expertise.</p>
<p>Brgds,<br />
Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Guns, drugs &#38; sit/lie laws: who&#8217;s got the real rights? - Fran Johns - Boomers and Beyond - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns, drugs &#38; sit/lie laws: who&#8217;s got the real rights? - Fran Johns - Boomers and Beyond - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 16:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carlfromchicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlfromchicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Johns:

Thanks for covering this issue, and offering your perspective.

I&#039;d like to comment on the way you contextualized this piece ... that is, the debate regarding whether the right to carry arms trumps another&#039;s right to feel safe.

At first glance, the answer is unequivocally &quot;yes.&quot;  That is because the right to arms is specifically enumerated within the bill of rights, while the right to &quot;feel safe&quot; is not.  But at second glance, this is simply a disingenuous framing of a debate that does not exist.  There is no constitutional right to feel safe.  Why not?  First, it&#039;s not fundamental, and second, it would be impossible to enforce against infringement.

Whether people are comfortable around guns is a very interesting a relevant social discussion.  But this is not a question of two rights pitted against one another.  As much as we all want to feel safe, it&#039;s simply a frame of mind.  The right you have is to think what you wish, and feel what you wish ... but that compels no one, or the government, to ensure what you think or what you wish becomes reality for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Johns:</p>
<p>Thanks for covering this issue, and offering your perspective.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to comment on the way you contextualized this piece &#8230; that is, the debate regarding whether the right to carry arms trumps another&#8217;s right to feel safe.</p>
<p>At first glance, the answer is unequivocally &#8220;yes.&#8221;  That is because the right to arms is specifically enumerated within the bill of rights, while the right to &#8220;feel safe&#8221; is not.  But at second glance, this is simply a disingenuous framing of a debate that does not exist.  There is no constitutional right to feel safe.  Why not?  First, it&#8217;s not fundamental, and second, it would be impossible to enforce against infringement.</p>
<p>Whether people are comfortable around guns is a very interesting a relevant social discussion.  But this is not a question of two rights pitted against one another.  As much as we all want to feel safe, it&#8217;s simply a frame of mind.  The right you have is to think what you wish, and feel what you wish &#8230; but that compels no one, or the government, to ensure what you think or what you wish becomes reality for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 01:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad your sister avoided harm, willbill, and especially that she trained to became a good marksman. You are right that being armed doesn&#039;t preclude the other ways of protecting oneself. But I still plan to stick with those other ways, which have served me well including through several instances in Metro Atlanta, and skip the armament. Thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad your sister avoided harm, willbill, and especially that she trained to became a good marksman. You are right that being armed doesn&#8217;t preclude the other ways of protecting oneself. But I still plan to stick with those other ways, which have served me well including through several instances in Metro Atlanta, and skip the armament. Thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: willbill</title>
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		<dc:creator>willbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Off-duty Police Chief James was not, because he feels guns invite problems.”

Guns in the hands of lawful carry permit holders do more to defuse dangerous situations than cause problems.
For example, when my sister lived in Tennessee she advocated gun control, and she stated that she supported a total ban on handguns.  When she moved to Atlanta with its high rate of violent crime her views changed, and she got her firearms carry permit, took up shooting as a sport, and became an excellent marksman.  In two separate incidents attackers tried to force their way into her car while she was stopped at a traffic lights, and both times, she brandished her Glock and both times the attackers to fled.


“…and that most guns cause far more grief than good; and I wish they would all go away.”

Studies have found that citizens use firearms for self-defense between 150,000 and 3,052,717 times a year.  The lowest estimate comes to about 410 times a day, and the highest estimate is 8,363 times a day.  Of course, firearms are used thousands of times a day for other lawful purposes like recreation shooting, sports and competition shooting, hunting and collecting.  
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm
Ms. Johns, if you had your way and all firearms went away, at least for law abiding citizens, than the 150,000 to 3,052,717 survivors of crimes would be victims.
Moreover, in the year 1900, years before a single so called “Commonsense gun control” law was enacted the U.S. murder rate was 1.2 per 100.000.  Today after all those gun control laws were put on the books the murder rate is 5.4 per 100,000.  Obviously, they were doing some things right in 1900, and gun control was not one of them.

“I’ll still take my chances with what I know about being cautious, aware, informed (about things like posture and eye contact etc) for self-protection, and believe I’m a lot safer (and less likely to kill or maim someone who didn’t deserve it) armed with those than with a gun.”

Being armed does not preclude you from being cautious, aware, informed (about things like posture and eye contact etc) for self-protection or even using a non-lethal weapon if attacked, but so many times non of those precautions fail.  As with my sister, the vast majority of cases where firearms are used for self-defense the gun is never fired, and criminal is either captured or flees.  Firearms are like fire extinguishers and first aid kits.  It is much better to have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Off-duty Police Chief James was not, because he feels guns invite problems.”</p>
<p>Guns in the hands of lawful carry permit holders do more to defuse dangerous situations than cause problems.<br />
For example, when my sister lived in Tennessee she advocated gun control, and she stated that she supported a total ban on handguns.  When she moved to Atlanta with its high rate of violent crime her views changed, and she got her firearms carry permit, took up shooting as a sport, and became an excellent marksman.  In two separate incidents attackers tried to force their way into her car while she was stopped at a traffic lights, and both times, she brandished her Glock and both times the attackers to fled.</p>
<p>“…and that most guns cause far more grief than good; and I wish they would all go away.”</p>
<p>Studies have found that citizens use firearms for self-defense between 150,000 and 3,052,717 times a year.  The lowest estimate comes to about 410 times a day, and the highest estimate is 8,363 times a day.  Of course, firearms are used thousands of times a day for other lawful purposes like recreation shooting, sports and competition shooting, hunting and collecting.<br />
<a href="http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm</a><br />
Ms. Johns, if you had your way and all firearms went away, at least for law abiding citizens, than the 150,000 to 3,052,717 survivors of crimes would be victims.<br />
Moreover, in the year 1900, years before a single so called “Commonsense gun control” law was enacted the U.S. murder rate was 1.2 per 100.000.  Today after all those gun control laws were put on the books the murder rate is 5.4 per 100,000.  Obviously, they were doing some things right in 1900, and gun control was not one of them.</p>
<p>“I’ll still take my chances with what I know about being cautious, aware, informed (about things like posture and eye contact etc) for self-protection, and believe I’m a lot safer (and less likely to kill or maim someone who didn’t deserve it) armed with those than with a gun.”</p>
<p>Being armed does not preclude you from being cautious, aware, informed (about things like posture and eye contact etc) for self-protection or even using a non-lethal weapon if attacked, but so many times non of those precautions fail.  As with my sister, the vast majority of cases where firearms are used for self-defense the gun is never fired, and criminal is either captured or flees.  Firearms are like fire extinguishers and first aid kits.  It is much better to have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud your training, caution and law-abidingness, airtechjr. People like you don&#039;t make me nervous (except when I found myself surrounded by three rows of gun-carriers at last week&#039;s panel, which felt like too many weapons in an otherwise peaceful room.) But I still stand by my response to mike above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud your training, caution and law-abidingness, airtechjr. People like you don&#8217;t make me nervous (except when I found myself surrounded by three rows of gun-carriers at last week&#8217;s panel, which felt like too many weapons in an otherwise peaceful room.) But I still stand by my response to mike above.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do try to look at both sides, Mike, though I clearly favor one. My gun sentiment is more of a large phobia than a small one. I grew up in the semi-rural south and actually had hunter-type friends try to teach me stuff, but learned early on that guns and I don&#039;t get along well. I defer to others like Chief James to cite instances of open carriers turning deadly, but I think anyone can Google up cases of law-abiding, legal possessors of guns killing or maiming people who did not deserve being killed or maimed. I am a woman of small stature, and a geezer to boot, who constantly walks alone in cities, sometimes in not-so-safe areas. I&#039;ll still take my chances with what I know about being cautious, aware, informed (about things like posture and eye contact etc) for self-protection, and believe I&#039;m a lot safer (and less likely to kill or maim someone who didn&#039;t deserve it) armed with those than with a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do try to look at both sides, Mike, though I clearly favor one. My gun sentiment is more of a large phobia than a small one. I grew up in the semi-rural south and actually had hunter-type friends try to teach me stuff, but learned early on that guns and I don&#8217;t get along well. I defer to others like Chief James to cite instances of open carriers turning deadly, but I think anyone can Google up cases of law-abiding, legal possessors of guns killing or maiming people who did not deserve being killed or maimed. I am a woman of small stature, and a geezer to boot, who constantly walks alone in cities, sometimes in not-so-safe areas. I&#8217;ll still take my chances with what I know about being cautious, aware, informed (about things like posture and eye contact etc) for self-protection, and believe I&#8217;m a lot safer (and less likely to kill or maim someone who didn&#8217;t deserve it) armed with those than with a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me anybody who wants a gun in the U.S. can get one, criminal or good guy. I don&#039;t know if gun control is the answer, but what we have now (the 20,000 laws you mention, and I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right) just makes everyone unhappy. I wish we could have one federal law making guns available for legitimate purpose to background-checked, law-abiding, gun-registering citizens. Then I wish those citizens would keep them away from me while they&#039;re roaming around. I don&#039;t expect this to happen, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me anybody who wants a gun in the U.S. can get one, criminal or good guy. I don&#8217;t know if gun control is the answer, but what we have now (the 20,000 laws you mention, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right) just makes everyone unhappy. I wish we could have one federal law making guns available for legitimate purpose to background-checked, law-abiding, gun-registering citizens. Then I wish those citizens would keep them away from me while they&#8217;re roaming around. I don&#8217;t expect this to happen, though.</p>
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		<title>By: airtechjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>airtechjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, an automatic Glock 18 is illigal in all but a few atates (Like Nevada, where they have no problem with them)
A Glock the average citizen can purchase is a semi-automatic. There is a very big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, an automatic Glock 18 is illigal in all but a few atates (Like Nevada, where they have no problem with them)<br />
A Glock the average citizen can purchase is a semi-automatic. There is a very big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: airtechjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>airtechjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times has an open carry proponent shot someone? If you use statistics rather than &quot;from the hip&quot; anti gun rhetoric, you will find legal gun owners are not the problem. Illegal gun owners are the problem.
Do you think the unlawful owner of an illegally obtained gun will ever open carry? I doubt it.
The facts make sense. Gun bans and restrictions increase crime. The bad guys know the populace is unarmed.

I carry a gun legally everyday. No one knows I have it, I have never hurt a sole with it, nor do I intend or want to. I am well trained, and I take the responsibility with the seriousness it deserves.

BTW, Glocks do not use clips, they use magazines.
A clip is what is used to put on the &quot;Ban Guns&quot; name tag. 
I find it interesting, people always wish someone has a gun when they are in danger.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. And remember, they have no legal obligation to protect you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times has an open carry proponent shot someone? If you use statistics rather than &#8220;from the hip&#8221; anti gun rhetoric, you will find legal gun owners are not the problem. Illegal gun owners are the problem.<br />
Do you think the unlawful owner of an illegally obtained gun will ever open carry? I doubt it.<br />
The facts make sense. Gun bans and restrictions increase crime. The bad guys know the populace is unarmed.</p>
<p>I carry a gun legally everyday. No one knows I have it, I have never hurt a sole with it, nor do I intend or want to. I am well trained, and I take the responsibility with the seriousness it deserves.</p>
<p>BTW, Glocks do not use clips, they use magazines.<br />
A clip is what is used to put on the &#8220;Ban Guns&#8221; name tag.<br />
I find it interesting, people always wish someone has a gun when they are in danger.</p>
<p>When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. And remember, they have no legal obligation to protect you.</p>
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