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	<title>Comments on: The Neocons vs. Glenn Beck</title>
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		<title>By: dee zee</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/erikkain/2009/11/25/the-neocons-vs-glenn-beck/comment-page-1/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>dee zee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you give Beck WAY too much credit, brushwolf.  He&#039;s less a modern-day Paul Revere than a slapstick-y buffoon cashing in on the Great Divide in American politics today.

I do agree with him, however, that the 2 parties are pretty indistinguishable at this point.  The corporate interests, bankers, lobbyists have seen to that.   And yes, 40 years of bad policies from both parties have led us to the precipice of this abyss from which we currently find ourselves dangling.

But I disagree with you – both parties are not responsible for destroying the Constitution.  That dubious honor goes to the Republicans  - to the Bushes, Cheneys, Rumsfelds, Addingtons, Gonzalezs, et al.  

“So, to protect their vested interests both the far left and far right will take shots at people like Beck who truly are on a peaceful mission to restore a decent (and smaller) government to this country.... People who actually are trying to change the status quo or at least bring attention to it are deconstructed, marginalized and ridiculed to keep the looting going.”

Yes, people who threaten the status quo often get marginalized, ridiculed, etc.  No doubt.  But you know who else often gets marginalized and ridiculed?  The marginally ridiculous.  Also, the crazy, unstable, and semi-retarded.  Just because Beck’s ridiculed, doesn’t mean it’s unwarranted.

And Beck’s not on a peaceful mission at all; he may have started that way, but lately he’s hitched his wagon to this small but increasingly vocal group on the far right:  the Tea Partiers, the Michelle Bachmanns, the Sarah Palins – who fancy themselves modern-day revolutionaries or patriots of some sort.  The violent rhetoric from the tea baggers, the pro-lifers, the birthers, the deathers, and the anyone-but-Obama-ers..... these people aren’t trying to “peacefully restore” anything.  They bring guns to the President’s speeches, call him Hitler, Mao, a Marxist, a Socialist, a Fascist...they deliberately inflame peoples’ fears and prejudices.  It’s rather horrifying to watch.  There’s absolutely nothing “peaceful” about Beck and his ilk.

These people will try, I believe, to form a viable 3rd party in the US (albeit a very small party.  Most Americans  don’t endorse or support these people).  For awhile it looked like they might completely hijack what’s left of the GOP and move the party even further to the right.  And that may still happen.   But many of these fringers seem completely disillusioned, if not outright disgusted, with the GOP today, which is kind of strange.  After all, so many of them supported Bush for 8 years, supported the wars, and didn’t say shit while Bush squandered trillions of dollars and drove us further into debt, but I digress.  And no matter.  Who cares if they’re 8 years too late?  At least they’re angry NOW about the deficit and taxes and the Constitution, right?  Mere coincidence that their anger peaked the second a Democrat got in the White House.  And that he happens to be black probably has nothing to do with the level of vitriol and rancor either).

But I digress.  

Now these fringers are mad as hell and they’re not gonna take it anymore.  People like Beck and Palin are leading these rag taggin’, tea bagging group of nutjobs even further to the right, right to the edge of the flat earth on which they live.   

The upside of that, should it happen, is that the Republicans may actually go back to the center and become more moderate again.   So instead of being the ‘Great Tent,’ they’ll  just be the ‘Pup Tent,’ but at least they’ll have their sanity again (presumably).   That would strengthen both the Republican and Democratic parties, and be good for the country overall (though without major changes, like campaign finance reform, too many systemic problems would remain).

In a perverse kinda way, I guess I’m rooting for this new 3rd party (let’s call them the ‘The Rag Taggin’ Tea Baggin’ Patriots of America’).  Even if they succeed, their party would basically be a small group of extremists, even more isolated from most Americans than they already are.  How wonderfully ironic it’d be if, in the end, the RTTBPOA, with all their sanctimonious outrage, self-righteous indignation, and mouth-foaming patriotism, ended up uniting the rest of the country rather than dividing us any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you give Beck WAY too much credit, brushwolf.  He&#8217;s less a modern-day Paul Revere than a slapstick-y buffoon cashing in on the Great Divide in American politics today.</p>
<p>I do agree with him, however, that the 2 parties are pretty indistinguishable at this point.  The corporate interests, bankers, lobbyists have seen to that.   And yes, 40 years of bad policies from both parties have led us to the precipice of this abyss from which we currently find ourselves dangling.</p>
<p>But I disagree with you – both parties are not responsible for destroying the Constitution.  That dubious honor goes to the Republicans  &#8211; to the Bushes, Cheneys, Rumsfelds, Addingtons, Gonzalezs, et al.  </p>
<p>“So, to protect their vested interests both the far left and far right will take shots at people like Beck who truly are on a peaceful mission to restore a decent (and smaller) government to this country&#8230;. People who actually are trying to change the status quo or at least bring attention to it are deconstructed, marginalized and ridiculed to keep the looting going.”</p>
<p>Yes, people who threaten the status quo often get marginalized, ridiculed, etc.  No doubt.  But you know who else often gets marginalized and ridiculed?  The marginally ridiculous.  Also, the crazy, unstable, and semi-retarded.  Just because Beck’s ridiculed, doesn’t mean it’s unwarranted.</p>
<p>And Beck’s not on a peaceful mission at all; he may have started that way, but lately he’s hitched his wagon to this small but increasingly vocal group on the far right:  the Tea Partiers, the Michelle Bachmanns, the Sarah Palins – who fancy themselves modern-day revolutionaries or patriots of some sort.  The violent rhetoric from the tea baggers, the pro-lifers, the birthers, the deathers, and the anyone-but-Obama-ers&#8230;.. these people aren’t trying to “peacefully restore” anything.  They bring guns to the President’s speeches, call him Hitler, Mao, a Marxist, a Socialist, a Fascist&#8230;they deliberately inflame peoples’ fears and prejudices.  It’s rather horrifying to watch.  There’s absolutely nothing “peaceful” about Beck and his ilk.</p>
<p>These people will try, I believe, to form a viable 3rd party in the US (albeit a very small party.  Most Americans  don’t endorse or support these people).  For awhile it looked like they might completely hijack what’s left of the GOP and move the party even further to the right.  And that may still happen.   But many of these fringers seem completely disillusioned, if not outright disgusted, with the GOP today, which is kind of strange.  After all, so many of them supported Bush for 8 years, supported the wars, and didn’t say shit while Bush squandered trillions of dollars and drove us further into debt, but I digress.  And no matter.  Who cares if they’re 8 years too late?  At least they’re angry NOW about the deficit and taxes and the Constitution, right?  Mere coincidence that their anger peaked the second a Democrat got in the White House.  And that he happens to be black probably has nothing to do with the level of vitriol and rancor either).</p>
<p>But I digress.  </p>
<p>Now these fringers are mad as hell and they’re not gonna take it anymore.  People like Beck and Palin are leading these rag taggin’, tea bagging group of nutjobs even further to the right, right to the edge of the flat earth on which they live.   </p>
<p>The upside of that, should it happen, is that the Republicans may actually go back to the center and become more moderate again.   So instead of being the ‘Great Tent,’ they’ll  just be the ‘Pup Tent,’ but at least they’ll have their sanity again (presumably).   That would strengthen both the Republican and Democratic parties, and be good for the country overall (though without major changes, like campaign finance reform, too many systemic problems would remain).</p>
<p>In a perverse kinda way, I guess I’m rooting for this new 3rd party (let’s call them the ‘The Rag Taggin’ Tea Baggin’ Patriots of America’).  Even if they succeed, their party would basically be a small group of extremists, even more isolated from most Americans than they already are.  How wonderfully ironic it’d be if, in the end, the RTTBPOA, with all their sanctimonious outrage, self-righteous indignation, and mouth-foaming patriotism, ended up uniting the rest of the country rather than dividing us any further.</p>
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		<title>By: davidlosangeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidlosangeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kain,

If Mr. Beck does not mend his ways he will end up in the same place Ross Perot and Ron Paul did.  It is the same place Sarah Palin is rushing off to is such a hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kain,</p>
<p>If Mr. Beck does not mend his ways he will end up in the same place Ross Perot and Ron Paul did.  It is the same place Sarah Palin is rushing off to is such a hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put brushwolf.</description>
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		<title>By: brushwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>brushwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not been following Beck that closely, but he is right concerning the fact that both parties are serving their own interests at the expense of middle America. They have different benefactors and beneficiaries (except the common beneficiaries they call &quot;banksters.&quot; But, they have preying on the middle class as their modus operandi. The two major parties are skilled in distracting us with our left/right arguments while they both pillage the country. The two major parties are like watching a bad tag-team WWF match where the one in the ring beats the daylights out of the taxpayer. Then the tag-team duo of R/D&#039;s switches places and the other one commences beating the taxpayers. We have had enough. Anyway, WTH do we need to keep troops in Germany or Korea for at this point in time anyway? Disclosure - I reluctantly voted for McCain but if I had to do it over I would have probably gone Ron Paul. Obama&#039;s election did not surprise or disturb me. but, what Congress, the Fed, and the administration full of Harvard and Yale tax cheats has done since being in office only a couple of months has definitely gotten my attention. We are in a crisis that has been building for 40 years through the bad policies of both Republicans and Democrats. I find it hilarious and revealing how frenzied the far right and far left go when anyone starts speaking common sense like Beck. Both the right and left have destroyed the Constitution and we want it back.
So, to protect their vested interests both the far left and far right will take shots at people like Beck who truly are on a peaceful mission to restore a decent (and smaller) government to this country. People like Beck endanger the political class&#039;s turn at the trough. People who actually are trying to change the status quo or at least bring attention to it are deconstructed, marginalized and ridiculed to keep the looting going. Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, and Beck all have been the recipients of this kind of disdain designed to poison their credibility. If you are a fervent supporter of either party, you have to ask yourself why the country just gets worse and the government just gets more parasitic and corrupt, no matter who wins the elections. Beck is a modern day Paul Revere, who happens to have a big microphone and a quirky sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been following Beck that closely, but he is right concerning the fact that both parties are serving their own interests at the expense of middle America. They have different benefactors and beneficiaries (except the common beneficiaries they call &#8220;banksters.&#8221; But, they have preying on the middle class as their modus operandi. The two major parties are skilled in distracting us with our left/right arguments while they both pillage the country. The two major parties are like watching a bad tag-team WWF match where the one in the ring beats the daylights out of the taxpayer. Then the tag-team duo of R/D&#8217;s switches places and the other one commences beating the taxpayers. We have had enough. Anyway, WTH do we need to keep troops in Germany or Korea for at this point in time anyway? Disclosure &#8211; I reluctantly voted for McCain but if I had to do it over I would have probably gone Ron Paul. Obama&#8217;s election did not surprise or disturb me. but, what Congress, the Fed, and the administration full of Harvard and Yale tax cheats has done since being in office only a couple of months has definitely gotten my attention. We are in a crisis that has been building for 40 years through the bad policies of both Republicans and Democrats. I find it hilarious and revealing how frenzied the far right and far left go when anyone starts speaking common sense like Beck. Both the right and left have destroyed the Constitution and we want it back.<br />
So, to protect their vested interests both the far left and far right will take shots at people like Beck who truly are on a peaceful mission to restore a decent (and smaller) government to this country. People like Beck endanger the political class&#8217;s turn at the trough. People who actually are trying to change the status quo or at least bring attention to it are deconstructed, marginalized and ridiculed to keep the looting going. Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, and Beck all have been the recipients of this kind of disdain designed to poison their credibility. If you are a fervent supporter of either party, you have to ask yourself why the country just gets worse and the government just gets more parasitic and corrupt, no matter who wins the elections. Beck is a modern day Paul Revere, who happens to have a big microphone and a quirky sense of humor.</p>
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