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		<title>By: Tiger Learns Domestic Violence Only Counts If You’re A Woman &#8211; Elie Mystal &#8211; The Black Side &#8211; True/Slant &#171; The Last Straw</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jham710</title>
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		<dc:creator>jham710</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a man who was abused by his girlfriend.  The police were called one night, they initially thought he was the one doing the hitting.  They ended up taking his girlfriend away, but he refused to file charges...much like women in his situation.  I don&#039;t know how much longer they were together, they eventually, thankfully, broke up.  Domestic violence no matter who is doing it is criminal. If Mr. Woods&#039; wife was hitting him, she should be brought up on charges, and yes, you are correct that if he were a female, the male counterpart would&#039;ve been arrested by now.  It is sexist and a double standard.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a man who was abused by his girlfriend.  The police were called one night, they initially thought he was the one doing the hitting.  They ended up taking his girlfriend away, but he refused to file charges&#8230;much like women in his situation.  I don&#8217;t know how much longer they were together, they eventually, thankfully, broke up.  Domestic violence no matter who is doing it is criminal. If Mr. Woods&#8217; wife was hitting him, she should be brought up on charges, and yes, you are correct that if he were a female, the male counterpart would&#8217;ve been arrested by now.  It is sexist and a double standard.</p>
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		<title>By: courtwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>courtwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Orlando Florida, the courts take DV against men very seriously. After all, we have 2 women with extensive histories as victims of DV, accused of killing their spouses, in jail on a NO BOND status. And we have Tiger&#039;s Isleworth neighbor, Bob Ward, accused of killing his wife by shooting her in the face, out on $100k bond.

The facts, as they&#039;ve been reported, support both stories - one of DV, one of a wife trying to help her husband out of a wreck. Tiger&#039;s behavior certainly is in line with that of a victim of DV (taking blame for what happened, embarrassed about the incident, etc.).

As is often the case with domestic violence, only the two people involved really know the truth. The general public will probably never know the whole truth. 

It&#039;s time to leave them alone to get on with their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Orlando Florida, the courts take DV against men very seriously. After all, we have 2 women with extensive histories as victims of DV, accused of killing their spouses, in jail on a NO BOND status. And we have Tiger&#8217;s Isleworth neighbor, Bob Ward, accused of killing his wife by shooting her in the face, out on $100k bond.</p>
<p>The facts, as they&#8217;ve been reported, support both stories &#8211; one of DV, one of a wife trying to help her husband out of a wreck. Tiger&#8217;s behavior certainly is in line with that of a victim of DV (taking blame for what happened, embarrassed about the incident, etc.).</p>
<p>As is often the case with domestic violence, only the two people involved really know the truth. The general public will probably never know the whole truth. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to leave them alone to get on with their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: shawngilbreath</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that from a domestic violence point of view, women are at much bigger risks for much higher stakes, i.e. their life, then men. I also agree that historically, law enforcement has been too lax in regards to protecting women.

My discomfort stems from my five years working at a municipal jail. Maybe it was just the area I was in, but I seemed to see a disproportionate amount of men in jail for Domestic Violence that, according to the women who put them there, never should have been arrested. I&#039;m not talking about women afraid to press charges so the police do it on their own. I&#039;m talking about women who would show up for visiting hours and threaten their husband/boyfriend that if they didn&#039;t do as they were told, she would have them arrested again. It seems that an entire sub-group of women who use the system has arisen out of an otherwise noble goal. 

That being said, I do not think that the problem should be trivialized. I just think that more effort needs to be put into weeding out these false accusations. So from my stand point, I see where Mr. Mystal is coming from. If the situation were reversed, we&#039;d be talking about how much Tiger&#039;s bail was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that from a domestic violence point of view, women are at much bigger risks for much higher stakes, i.e. their life, then men. I also agree that historically, law enforcement has been too lax in regards to protecting women.</p>
<p>My discomfort stems from my five years working at a municipal jail. Maybe it was just the area I was in, but I seemed to see a disproportionate amount of men in jail for Domestic Violence that, according to the women who put them there, never should have been arrested. I&#8217;m not talking about women afraid to press charges so the police do it on their own. I&#8217;m talking about women who would show up for visiting hours and threaten their husband/boyfriend that if they didn&#8217;t do as they were told, she would have them arrested again. It seems that an entire sub-group of women who use the system has arisen out of an otherwise noble goal. </p>
<p>That being said, I do not think that the problem should be trivialized. I just think that more effort needs to be put into weeding out these false accusations. So from my stand point, I see where Mr. Mystal is coming from. If the situation were reversed, we&#8217;d be talking about how much Tiger&#8217;s bail was.</p>
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		<title>By: bsg76</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Steve McNair about his feelings on the subject.</description>
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		<title>By: davidlosangeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidlosangeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Mystal,

I do think you have missed a key point.  You are correct in theory that the gender of attacker and the attackee are irrelevant.  However, historically women have disproportionately been the victims of domestic violence and have often failed to receive adequate protection from law enforcement when they have been.  For example, there was a study conducted between 1995 and 1996 where 16,000 people were surveyed in the 50 States and the District of Columbia.  Nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or dating partner/acquaintance at some time in their lifetime. (Patricia Tjaden &amp; Nancy Thoennes, U.S. Dep&#039;t of Just., NCJ 181867, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, at iii (2000), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm).  I am going to out on a limb and suggest that among the 7.6% of men who reported this, the attacker was probably a man in proportionately more cases than than women were the attacker among the 25% of women who reported being a victim of domestic violence.

So I would suggest that the disproportionate focus on the woman as victim of domestic violence as opposed to men is not merely the reflection of stereotyped views of gender roles but some scientific data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Mystal,</p>
<p>I do think you have missed a key point.  You are correct in theory that the gender of attacker and the attackee are irrelevant.  However, historically women have disproportionately been the victims of domestic violence and have often failed to receive adequate protection from law enforcement when they have been.  For example, there was a study conducted between 1995 and 1996 where 16,000 people were surveyed in the 50 States and the District of Columbia.  Nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or dating partner/acquaintance at some time in their lifetime. (Patricia Tjaden &amp; Nancy Thoennes, U.S. Dep&#8217;t of Just., NCJ 181867, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, at iii (2000), available at <a href="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm)</a>.  I am going to out on a limb and suggest that among the 7.6% of men who reported this, the attacker was probably a man in proportionately more cases than than women were the attacker among the 25% of women who reported being a victim of domestic violence.</p>
<p>So I would suggest that the disproportionate focus on the woman as victim of domestic violence as opposed to men is not merely the reflection of stereotyped views of gender roles but some scientific data.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. Interesting point. Maybe everyone should keep it in their trousers, regardless of gender.

While violence is a lousy solution, take a look at the number of women who kill their cheating husbands -- versus the three women every single day who are killed in the U.S. by the men who are persuaded that these women belong to them and, if they dare to leave, they deserve to die for their impudence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Interesting point. Maybe everyone should keep it in their trousers, regardless of gender.</p>
<p>While violence is a lousy solution, take a look at the number of women who kill their cheating husbands &#8212; versus the three women every single day who are killed in the U.S. by the men who are persuaded that these women belong to them and, if they dare to leave, they deserve to die for their impudence.</p>
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