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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/caitlinkelly/2009/10/21/no-novenas-thanks-im-staying-anglican/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how change happens quickly (relative term) without fracture and internal disruption. I have tremendous difficulty with the notion of these conservative African Anglican parishes, on a different continent and within a very different culture and society, even trying to mess with how my faith works (or does not) within a pluralistic, diverse country such as the U.S. or Canada. Better that the Anglican Communion be, or try to be, one &quot;happy family&quot; -- or true to our own vision of what that means, and grateful that is also our choice?

I know that having a woman minister brought me back to the church after decades. People come or stay in a church, parish, denomination for so many different reasons.

Faith and spirituality get so riven by other agendas. I find that sad, but certainly inevitable unless everyone keeps yoked to the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how change happens quickly (relative term) without fracture and internal disruption. I have tremendous difficulty with the notion of these conservative African Anglican parishes, on a different continent and within a very different culture and society, even trying to mess with how my faith works (or does not) within a pluralistic, diverse country such as the U.S. or Canada. Better that the Anglican Communion be, or try to be, one &#8220;happy family&#8221; &#8212; or true to our own vision of what that means, and grateful that is also our choice?</p>
<p>I know that having a woman minister brought me back to the church after decades. People come or stay in a church, parish, denomination for so many different reasons.</p>
<p>Faith and spirituality get so riven by other agendas. I find that sad, but certainly inevitable unless everyone keeps yoked to the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often as not, I think it&#039;s less shuddering at the idea of women at the altar or abhorring gays as it is a general feeling that change should come about slowly, and a respect for the very long traditions of the church.  A lot of Catholics would probably be very happy to see women priests or married priests (I&#039;m not sure where the issue of gay rights stands, and I&#039;m sure it depends on the region) and would instantly accept the change if it came to that at a council.  

Others, of course, would oppose it.  There is a sizable fringe of traditionalists who think the current Pope (and all pontiffs since Vatican II) is an impostor and a fraud.

In any case, there are good and bad things that come with this more cautious, slow-going approach.  Just as the more &#039;meteoric&#039; change in Anglicanism has led to good changes, it has also led to some fracture, some internal disruption and a possible split.  The trick is achieving change without so disrupting the institution that the center fails to hold, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often as not, I think it&#8217;s less shuddering at the idea of women at the altar or abhorring gays as it is a general feeling that change should come about slowly, and a respect for the very long traditions of the church.  A lot of Catholics would probably be very happy to see women priests or married priests (I&#8217;m not sure where the issue of gay rights stands, and I&#8217;m sure it depends on the region) and would instantly accept the change if it came to that at a council.  </p>
<p>Others, of course, would oppose it.  There is a sizable fringe of traditionalists who think the current Pope (and all pontiffs since Vatican II) is an impostor and a fraud.</p>
<p>In any case, there are good and bad things that come with this more cautious, slow-going approach.  Just as the more &#8216;meteoric&#8217; change in Anglicanism has led to good changes, it has also led to some fracture, some internal disruption and a possible split.  The trick is achieving change without so disrupting the institution that the center fails to hold, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/caitlinkelly/2009/10/21/no-novenas-thanks-im-staying-anglican/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes the changes in the Anglican church seem meteoric in comparison, I guess.

One of the things I so value is the debate over what we should be and the willingness to shift on that. I don&#039;t understand how anyone can profess Christianity and abhor gays or shudder at the idea of a woman at the altar. Surely, acceptance, let alone brotherly/sisterly love is essential to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes the changes in the Anglican church seem meteoric in comparison, I guess.</p>
<p>One of the things I so value is the debate over what we should be and the willingness to shift on that. I don&#8217;t understand how anyone can profess Christianity and abhor gays or shudder at the idea of a woman at the altar. Surely, acceptance, let alone brotherly/sisterly love is essential to this.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well - prior to Vatican II the sort of reform that came out of the council seemed nearly as unlikely.  I think it will take time, but I do think it will happen.  Then again, when you&#039;re talking about the Catholic Church you&#039;re talking in terms of thousands of years.  So change, when it does happen, may not come for some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; prior to Vatican II the sort of reform that came out of the council seemed nearly as unlikely.  I think it will take time, but I do think it will happen.  Then again, when you&#8217;re talking about the Catholic Church you&#8217;re talking in terms of thousands of years.  So change, when it does happen, may not come for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Why do you think they have resisted? Do you think they&#039;ll ever change on this issue? It seems unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Why do you think they have resisted? Do you think they&#8217;ll ever change on this issue? It seems unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wish the Catholic church would open its doors to women and married priests.  If only Vatican II had gone a bit further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wish the Catholic church would open its doors to women and married priests.  If only Vatican II had gone a bit further.</p>
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