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Mar. 20 2010 - 8:54 pm | 494 views | 0 recommendations | 2 comments

Carmel hazing update: another prosecutor gets involved

Careful readers of Your Kid’s Not Going Pro — and you’re all careful readers, right? — will noticed that on March 2 I quoted an Indiana University School of Law-Indianapolis professor who said it was likely another county’s prosecutor would end up handling the alleged Jan. 22 incident in which three senior Carmel (Ind.) High basketball players assaulted a teammate on a school bus. And that indeed is going to be the case.

From The Indianapolis Star:

It will be up to Hendricks County [immediately west of Indianapolis] rather than Hamilton County [immediately north of Indianapolis] to file any charges against the Carmel High School basketball players suspected in an attack alleged to have taken place on a team bus, Hamilton County Prosecutor Sonia Leerkamp said Friday [March 19].

That’s because investigators have determined that the incident — initially described as bullying or hazing but now under investigation for possible criminal charges — occurred in Hendricks County as the team returned from a game in western Indiana the night of Jan. 22.

Here is Joel Schumm, explaining in a March 1 email to me in more detail than I allowed him in the March 2 piece, why the case would likely go to a county not Hamilton, Carmel’s actual location. The question I asked him was whether Carmel police had jurisdiction to handle the investigation because the incident did not happen within its borders. He said yes it did, but:

The clearer limitation involves the pursuit of criminal charges in court.  The prosecutor in the county where the crime occurred would need to seek an indictment before a grand jury or file an information and secure a probable cause determination from a judge in the county where the crime occurred.  If charges were filed in Hamilton County but the crimes occurred somewhere else, the defendant would be entitled to a change of venue to the county where the crime occurred.  If he had already been convicted, he would be entitled to a new trial in the proper county.  (Here’s an example of a recent venue case:  http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11030902mpb.pdf )

The case Schumm cited is particularly interesting if you’re a fan of the why-don’t-you-have-a-seat-over-there theatrics of Dateline NBC’s Chris Hansen.

That’s because the case cited involves Perverted Justice, the group Hansen allied with to lure pedophiles unwittingly to whatever house had been rigged with cameras. This case involved a man from Madison County, Ind., who believed he was trading messages with a 13-year-old girl in Georgia, but if you’ve seen two minutes of “To Catch a Predator,” you know where this is going. But first, I would recommend you read portions of the opinion, namely the dirty-talk ones, with Chris Hansen’s voice. So when the guy traveled to adjacent Hamilton County to meet “Lizzy” at the Carmel Dairy Queen (where my brother worked in high school), he was busted.

“What are you doing here? Before you answer that, let me read you something you wrote: ‘When I see you, Blizzard, I’m going to f*** you so hard I’ll turn you into a motherf****** Flame Thrower.’ “

The Indiana Court of Appeals, while finding that the guy was a hopeless pervert, still overturned his conviction because the crime — the dirty talk — occurred in Madison County, not Hamilton County. If the hopeless pervert was actually conversing with a girl in Hamilton County, and meeting a real girl there, he could be tried there. But not if all the message were some distant role-player with Perverted Justice, with no girl pining to meet him at the Dairy Queen.

By the way, why does such a rule exist? The Court of Appeals said it was left over from the pre-automobile days and was meant to protect defendants, who could not easily travel to distant venues for their trials.

Ironically, if the Hendricks County prosecutor files charges against the Carmel basketball players, everyone involved — the attorneys, the players, the victims, the coaches, any other witnesses — but the prosecutors are going to have to travel to a distant venue for the trial, thanks to a rule meant to prevent just that.


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    If the alleged player’s involved were under 18 at the time of the alleged incident, then both Hendrick’s County (as the alleged scene of the delinquent act) and Hamilton County (home of the juvenile’s suspects, again if they were under 18 at the time) Juvenile Court would also have concurrent jurisdiction because juvenile delinquency charges can be filed in Indiana in either the County of the act or the County of residence of the alleged juvenile offender. And the IndyStar totally missed the fact when they stated in a recent article that “the hazing event could lead to criminal charges.” Hazing, in and of itself is Criminal Recklessness in Indiana.

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    “if the Hendricks County prosecutor files charges against the Carmel basketball players…”

    The word “IF” is chilling.

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