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		<title>By: greyhound21</title>
		<link>http://trueslant.com/bobcook/2010/02/26/carmel-hazing-case-blows-up-on-senior-day/comment-page-1/#comment-759</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, but as a former student at CHS who graduated last year, I have to say that there are a lot of things that outsiders (people who don&#039;t currently go to school or work at Carmel High School) are extremely misinformed by. 

I&#039;ll let you know what I do agree with. I agree that these actions are definitely terrible, and should be punished as such.  I know of the kids that did these things, and let&#039;s just say that there is probably quite a bit of a superiority complex goin&#039; on here.  I also agree that the head coach on the basketball team isn&#039;t the greatest coach to ever step foot on the hardwood. Heck,  he had McRoberts a few years ago and he couldn&#039;t handle that situation enough to even get past sections.  Ya think he&#039;s gonna handle THIS one well? 

But I definitely have a few issues with what is being spread around.  Firstly, though I admit the criticism of principal John Williams has some merit, the fact is, this is one of the classiest men that I have ever known.  Though I don&#039;t know exactly how the investigation got started, I do know that this is a guy who does it the right way.  When this report started, the only thing they knew for sure was that there was bullying. The sexual aspects of this case were still he-said, she-said types of things.  So what did he do? He suspended the kids momentarily and let the investigation start. In my opinion, his actions were pretty smart. And I will say that I admittedly don&#039;t know all the facts  of this situation. But I don&#039;t think anyone does either.  If principal Williams gets the hammer, because there are all these people making conspiracy theories about all this crap, that wold be absolute BS.  If he ignored initial claims of sexual abuse and there is solid evidence of this, then shame on him. But if these are unverified claims, then he is not guilty until proven so. And gosh dang it, in my opinion, we should give him some credit, he&#039;s been very cooperative with the police in allowing them to investigate 60 people. And more impressively, he hasn&#039;t roundhouse kicked a reporter yet. Which brings me to my next point...

I disagree wholeheartedly with the way the media has handled this. What they&#039;re doing isn&#039;t reporting. They&#039;re being annoying jerks.  If i were still at carmel and there were so many people on school grounds trying to dig of so much crap about my school, I&#039;d be pretty ticked off too.  I know high schools are filled with gossiping annoying teenagers, but hell, you&#039;d be lying if all these rumors weren&#039;t being fueled by some of these reporters&#039; BS. It is ridiculous.  I actually heard yesterday that people are saying that this is a CHS basketball &quot;tradition.&quot; really? I was connected with this program and I am sure that this is false.  Yeah I agree that the news should follow the story. And yeah I can understand their frustration about not knowing the whole story. But they should know the line between reporting and rumors.  I&#039;m tired of seeing these reporters talk anonymously to the 5 teachers in CHS who don&#039;t like working there. I&#039;m tired of seeing the sentence , &quot;yeah, there is some bullying here,&quot; become turned into, &quot;Sexual abuse is widespread in Carmel.&quot; Most of all, I am tired of the fact that if this incident happened in the inner city, it would be treated like an actual news story and actual news would be reported about it.  But it happened in Carmel, and these conniving little media idiots come into our school and walk right through the middle  of our basketball court and think they can talk down to our students and our teachers and do their best to to turn this individual incident into a mass generalization of the city of Carmel in general. Jesus, by all means - do your job and find the news. But don&#039;t sit at the lunch table with Kristy and Allysa and talk about whose boyfriend punched who and the latest breakup news.  If you want a raise, then go into a better industry than fricckin journalism, dont try to dig up every little piece of crap about Carmel and call it &quot;News&quot; and claim that this is the big story that gets you out of the slums of local television.  

All in all, I&#039;d just like to say that if i were in the Carmel student section, I would wholeheartedly say Go home, Kim. I think it speaks to the classiness of these students that they didn&#039;t use far more offensive 4-letter words than &quot;home.&quot; These &quot;reporters&quot; are being arrogant jerks (idk if i can use other words, but i&#039;ll settle for &quot;jerk&quot;).  Before you continue disrespecting our school and everything it stands for, why don&#039;t you learn the difference between reporting facts and reporting rumors? Gosh dangit, just start doin&#039; your damn job.

PS: I dont know if Kent Sterling is reading this, but if he is, then I think you should just shut the hell up.  

&quot;If Carmel is a school filled with as many smart kids as they claim, they should have come up with something witty.&quot;

I graduated from Carmel. 2370 SAT bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, but as a former student at CHS who graduated last year, I have to say that there are a lot of things that outsiders (people who don&#8217;t currently go to school or work at Carmel High School) are extremely misinformed by. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let you know what I do agree with. I agree that these actions are definitely terrible, and should be punished as such.  I know of the kids that did these things, and let&#8217;s just say that there is probably quite a bit of a superiority complex goin&#8217; on here.  I also agree that the head coach on the basketball team isn&#8217;t the greatest coach to ever step foot on the hardwood. Heck,  he had McRoberts a few years ago and he couldn&#8217;t handle that situation enough to even get past sections.  Ya think he&#8217;s gonna handle THIS one well? </p>
<p>But I definitely have a few issues with what is being spread around.  Firstly, though I admit the criticism of principal John Williams has some merit, the fact is, this is one of the classiest men that I have ever known.  Though I don&#8217;t know exactly how the investigation got started, I do know that this is a guy who does it the right way.  When this report started, the only thing they knew for sure was that there was bullying. The sexual aspects of this case were still he-said, she-said types of things.  So what did he do? He suspended the kids momentarily and let the investigation start. In my opinion, his actions were pretty smart. And I will say that I admittedly don&#8217;t know all the facts  of this situation. But I don&#8217;t think anyone does either.  If principal Williams gets the hammer, because there are all these people making conspiracy theories about all this crap, that wold be absolute BS.  If he ignored initial claims of sexual abuse and there is solid evidence of this, then shame on him. But if these are unverified claims, then he is not guilty until proven so. And gosh dang it, in my opinion, we should give him some credit, he&#8217;s been very cooperative with the police in allowing them to investigate 60 people. And more impressively, he hasn&#8217;t roundhouse kicked a reporter yet. Which brings me to my next point&#8230;</p>
<p>I disagree wholeheartedly with the way the media has handled this. What they&#8217;re doing isn&#8217;t reporting. They&#8217;re being annoying jerks.  If i were still at carmel and there were so many people on school grounds trying to dig of so much crap about my school, I&#8217;d be pretty ticked off too.  I know high schools are filled with gossiping annoying teenagers, but hell, you&#8217;d be lying if all these rumors weren&#8217;t being fueled by some of these reporters&#8217; BS. It is ridiculous.  I actually heard yesterday that people are saying that this is a CHS basketball &#8220;tradition.&#8221; really? I was connected with this program and I am sure that this is false.  Yeah I agree that the news should follow the story. And yeah I can understand their frustration about not knowing the whole story. But they should know the line between reporting and rumors.  I&#8217;m tired of seeing these reporters talk anonymously to the 5 teachers in CHS who don&#8217;t like working there. I&#8217;m tired of seeing the sentence , &#8220;yeah, there is some bullying here,&#8221; become turned into, &#8220;Sexual abuse is widespread in Carmel.&#8221; Most of all, I am tired of the fact that if this incident happened in the inner city, it would be treated like an actual news story and actual news would be reported about it.  But it happened in Carmel, and these conniving little media idiots come into our school and walk right through the middle  of our basketball court and think they can talk down to our students and our teachers and do their best to to turn this individual incident into a mass generalization of the city of Carmel in general. Jesus, by all means &#8211; do your job and find the news. But don&#8217;t sit at the lunch table with Kristy and Allysa and talk about whose boyfriend punched who and the latest breakup news.  If you want a raise, then go into a better industry than fricckin journalism, dont try to dig up every little piece of crap about Carmel and call it &#8220;News&#8221; and claim that this is the big story that gets you out of the slums of local television.  </p>
<p>All in all, I&#8217;d just like to say that if i were in the Carmel student section, I would wholeheartedly say Go home, Kim. I think it speaks to the classiness of these students that they didn&#8217;t use far more offensive 4-letter words than &#8220;home.&#8221; These &#8220;reporters&#8221; are being arrogant jerks (idk if i can use other words, but i&#8217;ll settle for &#8220;jerk&#8221;).  Before you continue disrespecting our school and everything it stands for, why don&#8217;t you learn the difference between reporting facts and reporting rumors? Gosh dangit, just start doin&#8217; your damn job.</p>
<p>PS: I dont know if Kent Sterling is reading this, but if he is, then I think you should just shut the hell up.  </p>
<p>&#8220;If Carmel is a school filled with as many smart kids as they claim, they should have come up with something witty.&#8221;</p>
<p>I graduated from Carmel. 2370 SAT bud.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">Deb Thurston-ocds</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1">Deb Thurston-ocds</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Bob Cook! 

Finally, someone dares to take what truth is out there and compile it in a meaningful way. So many Indy-area residents are absolutely livid about the way this whole scandalous affair has been handled. You don&#039;t have to travel to Denmark to smell something rotten these days... just take a drive on I-465 and stop on your way to Notre Dame.

The four students in question are from well-heeled families. The elder Kitzinger is an attorney; Mr Hoge is an insurance agent, just like John Laskowski; as for the Falodun family, they are fortunate not to be counted among the most-important of VIP&#039;s. 

No matter whether you call it hazing, bullying, child sexual abuse, or alleged criminal activity, the truth of the matter is that Carmel H.S., Carmel/Clay Schools, Carmel Police Dept. and the City of Carmel appear to have screwed up in a huge way. 

Now Mayor Brainard dares to speak up? He&#039;s already in a pot of boiling oil over a highway project and arts center, both under construction and well over budget; this only fans the flames. Yes, there may be gold leaf on the &quot;Welcome to Carmel&quot; highway signs, but the wood underneath must be rotting away, just like justice in that community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bob Cook! </p>
<p>Finally, someone dares to take what truth is out there and compile it in a meaningful way. So many Indy-area residents are absolutely livid about the way this whole scandalous affair has been handled. You don&#8217;t have to travel to Denmark to smell something rotten these days&#8230; just take a drive on I-465 and stop on your way to Notre Dame.</p>
<p>The four students in question are from well-heeled families. The elder Kitzinger is an attorney; Mr Hoge is an insurance agent, just like John Laskowski; as for the Falodun family, they are fortunate not to be counted among the most-important of VIP&#8217;s. </p>
<p>No matter whether you call it hazing, bullying, child sexual abuse, or alleged criminal activity, the truth of the matter is that Carmel H.S., Carmel/Clay Schools, Carmel Police Dept. and the City of Carmel appear to have screwed up in a huge way. </p>
<p>Now Mayor Brainard dares to speak up? He&#8217;s already in a pot of boiling oil over a highway project and arts center, both under construction and well over budget; this only fans the flames. Yes, there may be gold leaf on the &#8220;Welcome to Carmel&#8221; highway signs, but the wood underneath must be rotting away, just like justice in that community.</p>
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