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		<title>By: expatjourno</title>
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		<dc:creator>expatjourno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can call Obama a centrist moderate. There is nothing centrist or moderate about being the butt-boy for the plutocracy. Obama is nothing but a graft-pocked whore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you can call Obama a centrist moderate. There is nothing centrist or moderate about being the butt-boy for the plutocracy. Obama is nothing but a graft-pocked whore.</p>
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		<title>By: medora</title>
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		<dc:creator>medora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to add: People forget that the Populist party was getting so popular that the Democrats hatched a plot to destroy it by feigning a desire for mutual merger, and succeeded, without paying a price for it. To imagine that a third party could become so disruptive to the two party system and yet be crushed despite rapidly growing support, never to recover, tells me that it is more than a lack of will involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to add: People forget that the Populist party was getting so popular that the Democrats hatched a plot to destroy it by feigning a desire for mutual merger, and succeeded, without paying a price for it. To imagine that a third party could become so disruptive to the two party system and yet be crushed despite rapidly growing support, never to recover, tells me that it is more than a lack of will involved.</p>
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		<title>By: medora</title>
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		<dc:creator>medora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a problem if your party is not registered in all 50 states. Means you have to make up for it in thousands or more in the other states. I find it hard to believe that regulations favoring a two-party system is not a major factor. I think that the Americans would be like the Germans if they suddenly had candidates from numerous parties who got even the bare minimum of exposure with pocket change of government funding. I cannot imagine them still just going for Democrat and Republican with most an overwhelming plurality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also a problem if your party is not registered in all 50 states. Means you have to make up for it in thousands or more in the other states. I find it hard to believe that regulations favoring a two-party system is not a major factor. I think that the Americans would be like the Germans if they suddenly had candidates from numerous parties who got even the bare minimum of exposure with pocket change of government funding. I cannot imagine them still just going for Democrat and Republican with most an overwhelming plurality.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Kilkenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Kilkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Basically he is saying be patient,let the process take it’s course, kinda a like a Baseball manager sticking up for the guy who is in a huge 0 for 30 batting slump. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, &lt;strong&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; what he never said. He never said, &quot;Let&#039;s be patient guys. I&#039;ve got a master plan,&quot; and what&#039;s dangerous is to assume that President Obama is doing what&#039;s best for the American people (instead of what&#039;s best for the private healthcare industry,) and then we will somehow magically end up with a public option. To grant that much trust to a man, who has thus far proven himself to be a centrist moderate, would entail a shocking amount of naivety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Basically he is saying be patient,let the process take it’s course, kinda a like a Baseball manager sticking up for the guy who is in a huge 0 for 30 batting slump. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, <strong>that&#8217;s</strong> what he never said. He never said, &#8220;Let&#8217;s be patient guys. I&#8217;ve got a master plan,&#8221; and what&#8217;s dangerous is to assume that President Obama is doing what&#8217;s best for the American people (instead of what&#8217;s best for the private healthcare industry,) and then we will somehow magically end up with a public option. To grant that much trust to a man, who has thus far proven himself to be a centrist moderate, would entail a shocking amount of naivety.</p>
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		<title>By: braamrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>braamrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, I just wish Progressive&#039;s would have a better understanding of how the game of &quot;Politics&quot; works. First of Obama NEVER said what you have stated here. Basically he is saying be patient,let the process take it&#039;s course, kinda a like a Baseball manager sticking up for the guy who is in a huge 0 for 30 batting slump. I am very P.Od at some of these Senators that are against Public option, but each day we are hearing about someone who has changed there mind, and the Bill is NOT even written yet. So save your bullets for another time, let the process work itself out. Do you really think that Obama would be stupid enough to turn his back on a huge chunk of people that helped put him in office??  I don&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, I just wish Progressive&#8217;s would have a better understanding of how the game of &#8220;Politics&#8221; works. First of Obama NEVER said what you have stated here. Basically he is saying be patient,let the process take it&#8217;s course, kinda a like a Baseball manager sticking up for the guy who is in a huge 0 for 30 batting slump. I am very P.Od at some of these Senators that are against Public option, but each day we are hearing about someone who has changed there mind, and the Bill is NOT even written yet. So save your bullets for another time, let the process work itself out. Do you really think that Obama would be stupid enough to turn his back on a huge chunk of people that helped put him in office??  I don&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Kilkenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Kilkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good point, though it&#039;s difficult to hear the views of third party candidates when the major networks don&#039;t permit them airtime during the debates (and third party candidates aren&#039;t all billionaires like Ross Perots and Michael Bloombergs, who can purchase commercials.) Publicly-funded elections would ensure a level-playing field for all ideologies and platforms. That way, we&#039;d actually hear some exciting, fresh perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good point, though it&#8217;s difficult to hear the views of third party candidates when the major networks don&#8217;t permit them airtime during the debates (and third party candidates aren&#8217;t all billionaires like Ross Perots and Michael Bloombergs, who can purchase commercials.) Publicly-funded elections would ensure a level-playing field for all ideologies and platforms. That way, we&#8217;d actually hear some exciting, fresh perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: markbolton</title>
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		<dc:creator>markbolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no catch-22 here at all, mikepierry. All there is is a stubborn, zombie-like following of the two major parties. It is self-defeatism at it&#039;s worst.  

So many people say they voted for Obama - or Gore, or Clinton, or Bush, etc. - because the candidate they really liked wasn&#039;t &quot;viable.&quot; VIABLE? What the fuck is that?!? Just how viable can a Nader, Paul, or other alternative be if those who agree the most with their positions won&#039;t even vote for them? This whole &quot;viability&quot; thing is just a piss-poor excuse used by those who can&#039;t stand not voting for a &quot;winner&quot;! It also means that people don&#039;t think their favorite candidate has the ability to convince others if given the chance.  

I&#039;ve often heard it said that things would have been different, &quot;if only those Nader voters wuld have gone for Gore in 2000.&quot; I say - BULLSHIT!!! In reality, things would have been different if the Gore voters would have gone for Nader! Some problems really do have simple solutions. If the problem is the system controlled by the two major parties - then the solution is to stop giving those parties&#039; candidates your vote - PERIOD! If you continue to vote for the D&#039;s and R&#039;s, you are the problem and you should probably sit down and STFU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no catch-22 here at all, mikepierry. All there is is a stubborn, zombie-like following of the two major parties. It is self-defeatism at it&#8217;s worst.  </p>
<p>So many people say they voted for Obama &#8211; or Gore, or Clinton, or Bush, etc. &#8211; because the candidate they really liked wasn&#8217;t &#8220;viable.&#8221; VIABLE? What the fuck is that?!? Just how viable can a Nader, Paul, or other alternative be if those who agree the most with their positions won&#8217;t even vote for them? This whole &#8220;viability&#8221; thing is just a piss-poor excuse used by those who can&#8217;t stand not voting for a &#8220;winner&#8221;! It also means that people don&#8217;t think their favorite candidate has the ability to convince others if given the chance.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often heard it said that things would have been different, &#8220;if only those Nader voters wuld have gone for Gore in 2000.&#8221; I say &#8211; BULLSHIT!!! In reality, things would have been different if the Gore voters would have gone for Nader! Some problems really do have simple solutions. If the problem is the system controlled by the two major parties &#8211; then the solution is to stop giving those parties&#8217; candidates your vote &#8211; PERIOD! If you continue to vote for the D&#8217;s and R&#8217;s, you are the problem and you should probably sit down and STFU!</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Kilkenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Kilkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but it&#039;s important that citizens remain aware that their political parties have been hijacked by corporate interests, which is why the Democrat and Republican parties look so similar. Only by supporting third party, progressive candidates, and demanding publicly-funded election can they hope to break the monopoly corporations have on the &quot;democratic&quot; process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but it&#8217;s important that citizens remain aware that their political parties have been hijacked by corporate interests, which is why the Democrat and Republican parties look so similar. Only by supporting third party, progressive candidates, and demanding publicly-funded election can they hope to break the monopoly corporations have on the &#8220;democratic&#8221; process.</p>
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		<title>By: mikepierry</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikepierry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never would&#039;ve expected Obama to support public healthcare anymore than I would&#039;ve expected him to support legalizing marijuana. Like Chomsky has said, Obama was pretty much a blank slate, and people projected what they wanted to see onto him. I never thought he was a progressive - frankly I don&#039;t expect much from Obama other than to not look like such an asshole (or a crazy religious lunatic) in the eyes of the world. And he seems to be succeeding in that. Other than that, we&#039;ll be lucky if he&#039;s as &quot;liberal&quot; as Bill Clinton.

Remember the 1996 election, when we were so disaffected that the choice between Bob Dole and Bill Clinton barely seemed like a choice at all (as brilliantly satirized on The Simpsons&#039; Treehouse of Horror)? That reality hasn&#039;t changed in spite of the Bush years. I doubt we&#039;ll ever have a viable candidate with a progressive agenda in this country - you&#039;d have to have a major restructuring of the entire economic system FIRST, and THEN you could actually get someone in power who wasn&#039;t a glorified puppet of big business. But how do you restructure the economy without progressive people at the highest levels of government? So it&#039;s a catch-22 as far as I can tell. In lieu of any kind of revolution, all we can do is make as much noise as possible and hope to get enough people pissed off that the &quot;captains of industry&quot; have no choice but to appease us a little bit. I could be wrong but I think that&#039;s the best we can do at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never would&#8217;ve expected Obama to support public healthcare anymore than I would&#8217;ve expected him to support legalizing marijuana. Like Chomsky has said, Obama was pretty much a blank slate, and people projected what they wanted to see onto him. I never thought he was a progressive &#8211; frankly I don&#8217;t expect much from Obama other than to not look like such an asshole (or a crazy religious lunatic) in the eyes of the world. And he seems to be succeeding in that. Other than that, we&#8217;ll be lucky if he&#8217;s as &#8220;liberal&#8221; as Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>Remember the 1996 election, when we were so disaffected that the choice between Bob Dole and Bill Clinton barely seemed like a choice at all (as brilliantly satirized on The Simpsons&#8217; Treehouse of Horror)? That reality hasn&#8217;t changed in spite of the Bush years. I doubt we&#8217;ll ever have a viable candidate with a progressive agenda in this country &#8211; you&#8217;d have to have a major restructuring of the entire economic system FIRST, and THEN you could actually get someone in power who wasn&#8217;t a glorified puppet of big business. But how do you restructure the economy without progressive people at the highest levels of government? So it&#8217;s a catch-22 as far as I can tell. In lieu of any kind of revolution, all we can do is make as much noise as possible and hope to get enough people pissed off that the &#8220;captains of industry&#8221; have no choice but to appease us a little bit. I could be wrong but I think that&#8217;s the best we can do at this point.</p>
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