Comments on: The Evolution of Journalism (Or: How The New York Times Stole My Blog Story) http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/ Musings on the ebb and flow of privacy in the digital age Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:11:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Click World News » Blog Archive » Mainstream Newspapers ‘Rip Off’ Blogs Too, You Know… http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-242 Click World News » Blog Archive » Mainstream Newspapers ‘Rip Off’ Blogs Too, You Know… Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:54:47 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-242 [...] Eric Goldman alerts us to a blog post by writer/blogger Kashmir Hill, where she talks about how the NY Times did the exact same thing that Shapira accuses Gawker of doing to a blog post she wrote for the blog AboveTheLaw. The story is actually one that we blogged about [...] [...] Eric Goldman alerts us to a blog post by writer/blogger Kashmir Hill, where she talks about how the NY Times did the exact same thing that Shapira accuses Gawker of doing to a blog post she wrote for the blog AboveTheLaw. The story is actually one that we blogged about [...]

]]> By: Web News Site » Blog Archive » Mainstream Newspapers ‘Rip Off’ Blogs Too, You Know… http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-240 Web News Site » Blog Archive » Mainstream Newspapers ‘Rip Off’ Blogs Too, You Know… Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:43:24 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-240 [...] Eric Goldman alerts us to a blog post by writer/blogger Kashmir Hill, where she talks about how the NY Times did the exact same thing that Shapira accuses Gawker of doing to a blog post she wrote for the blog AboveTheLaw. The story is actually one that we blogged about [...] [...] Eric Goldman alerts us to a blog post by writer/blogger Kashmir Hill, where she talks about how the NY Times did the exact same thing that Shapira accuses Gawker of doing to a blog post she wrote for the blog AboveTheLaw. The story is actually one that we blogged about [...]

]]> By: Kashmir Hill http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-238 Kashmir Hill Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:16:03 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-238 Great point, Jeff. Bart, I agree that there will be more of a convergence of journalistic practices. Unfortunately, I think the evolution of journalism means that we will have to learn to do everything that we do cheaper. So there will likely be a convergence of journalists' not-astronomical salaries and bloggers' incredibly meager ones. But hey, at least we get to write for a living! Great point, Jeff.

Bart, I agree that there will be more of a convergence of journalistic practices. Unfortunately, I think the evolution of journalism means that we will have to learn to do everything that we do cheaper. So there will likely be a convergence of journalists’ not-astronomical salaries and bloggers’ incredibly meager ones. But hey, at least we get to write for a living!

]]> By: misterb http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-237 misterb Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:06:31 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-237 It's not bloggers who are killing papers, it's the medium Putting ink on paper is just not as good a solution for getting news to people as putting electrons on screens. Reporters aren't the problem, newsprint is. Of course the economics are going to change. Sports and weather can't subsidize serious reporting any more; each article has to stand on its own. We can't confuse the timely and righteous demise of treekilling with the timeless need for us all to stay informed about our world. If we work it out right, the losers in the new news economy will be the capitalists and the winners will be the press. If we turn the function of newspaper-like organizations into gatekeepers of the news, then the capitalists win and the people lose. It’s not bloggers who are killing papers, it’s the medium Putting ink on paper is just not as good a solution for getting news to people as putting electrons on screens. Reporters aren’t the problem, newsprint is.
Of course the economics are going to change. Sports and weather can’t subsidize serious reporting any more; each article has to stand on its own. We can’t confuse the timely and righteous demise of treekilling with the timeless need for us all to stay informed about our world. If we work it out right, the losers in the new news economy will be the capitalists and the winners will be the press. If we turn the function of newspaper-like organizations into gatekeepers of the news, then the capitalists win and the people lose.

]]> By: Bart Brouwers http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Bart Brouwers Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:44:07 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-236 Even being an editor-in-chief of a newspaper can't hold me from agreeing with you. Still, there should be a way to combine the best of old fashioned journalism with that of blogging. Please join me in trying to find that way. Maybe by giving your comment at http://trueslant.com/bartbrouwers/2009/07/13/augmented-journalism/ or by adding an opinion at the just started augmented journalism weblog: augmentedjournalism.com. Even being an editor-in-chief of a newspaper can’t hold me from agreeing with you. Still, there should be a way to combine the best of old fashioned journalism with that of blogging. Please join me in trying to find that way. Maybe by giving your comment at http://trueslant.com/bartbrouwers/2009/07/13/augmented-journalism/ or by adding an opinion at the just started augmented journalism weblog: augmentedjournalism.com.

]]> By: John Kinsellagh http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-235 John Kinsellagh Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:19:18 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-235 Good article Kashmir. Let's not forget Maureen Dowd's "inadvertent" lifting of a whole passage from Josh Marshall's TPM blog for one of her weekly columns Good article Kashmir. Let’s not forget Maureen Dowd’s “inadvertent” lifting of a whole passage from Josh Marshall’s TPM blog for one of her weekly columns

]]> By: Jeff McMahon http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-234 Jeff McMahon Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:40:52 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-234 A beautiful touché, Kashmir. Once we see that the stealing goes both ways (and newspapers steal from each other, too, by confirming but not crediting facts reported by another newspaper), it reveals the attitudes behind this story, including, maybe, some disgruntlement from one type of media about sharing territory that once was exclusive. A beautiful touché, Kashmir. Once we see that the stealing goes both ways (and newspapers steal from each other, too, by confirming but not crediting facts reported by another newspaper), it reveals the attitudes behind this story, including, maybe, some disgruntlement from one type of media about sharing territory that once was exclusive.

]]> By: News blog » Blog Archive » Attribution in the Internet Age: When Does ‘Repackaging’ Become Stealing? http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-233 News blog » Blog Archive » Attribution in the Internet Age: When Does ‘Repackaging’ Become Stealing? Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:18:54 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-233 [...] sources all the time, often without sufficient attribution or original insight. Over on True/Slant, Kash writes about what happened to her popular story about Fordham's privacy dossier on Justice Scalia: I'm a [...] [...] sources all the time, often without sufficient attribution or original insight. Over on True/Slant, Kash writes about what happened to her popular story about Fordham’s privacy dossier on Justice Scalia: I’m a [...]

]]> By: Michael Preston http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/2009/08/04/the-evolution-of-journalism-or-how-the-new-york-times-stole-my-blog-story/comment-page-1/#comment-232 Michael Preston Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:10:18 +0000 http://trueslant.com/KashmirHill/?p=1198#comment-232 Kashmir, Good piece. I've been following the whole WaPo/Gawker dustup in a half-assed manner, but will go back and check out more of what's been said. Kashmir,
Good piece. I’ve been following the whole WaPo/Gawker dustup in a half-assed manner, but will go back and check out more of what’s been said.

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